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07-29-2010, 08:23 PM
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Wrong Orr...try Bobby.
ooooooh. yeah, that's not happening IMO. They seem very different. MDZ to Orr would make more sense. Maybe Kubina or a less physical Robidas. I wanted to say Seabrook but it's hard to tell how much of Seabrook's play is because of Keith or vice versa. So I guess Seabrook* with the asterisk.

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ooooooh. yeah, that's not happening IMO. They seem very different. MDZ to Orr would make more sense. Maybe Kubina or a less physical Robidas. I wanted to say Seabrook but it's hard to tell how much of Seabrook's play is because of Keith or vice versa. So I guess Seabrook* with the asterisk.
They were supposed to be exaggerations.

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07-29-2010, 08:35 PM
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They were supposed to be exaggerations.
oooooooh, right. I didn't see the Gretzky thing above. Wait, I don't get it.

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07-29-2010, 08:57 PM
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oooooooh, right. I didn't see the Gretzky thing above. Wait, I don't get it.
Exaggeration for exaggerations sake.

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When will we see all three of these guys on the Rangers?
Grachev and Stepan will be in training camp, so you'll get to see them in some preseason games. Kreider has at least 1 more year at BC. He'll probably turn pro next year, is my guess.

Both Grachev and Stepan have a shot to make the team this year, but realistic, I wouldn't expect any of them to earn a full time spot before 2011. Kreider might be 2012, though I think he'll be ready sooner than people think.

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07-30-2010, 12:09 AM
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in his day Antropov was a awesome prospect. His numbers were eye popping. comparing prospect to prospect i think big Nik blows Grachev away. Now dont get me wrong, Grachev may develop into a better NHler's and thats all that counts. take a look when you have time at Antropov's junior numbers prior to his Dynamo Moscow Season in the RSL
But I'm not comparing numbers. I'm comparing physical skill sets.

Antropov is really not a good comparison as a player.

Grachev is pretty fast straight away. He has a quick and hard shot. He can get a little physical. He has good hands.

I like an Eric Daze (Grachev is not as big, though) comparison a little more. Fast for a big body, hands, shot. Not overwhelming totals career but pretty dang good. Daze's style could be a decent comparison.

Kreider's skill level compares to Amonte. Except he's more physical. Someone here tried to use PIM numbers to say Amonte was more physical... PIM numbers don't equal physical play. They equal penalties. They could be tripping calls, hooking, interference, high sticking... They don't mean the player is actually physical. Kreider runs through people. CLEANLY. Clean hard hits.

Erik Cole? Maybe. But Kreider is bigger already at 6-2, 220 lbs, and has much higher offensive upside.

Kreider is a freak of nature. I can't wait to see how he does this year with the added strength.

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07-30-2010, 12:14 AM
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Grachev and Stepan will be in training camp, so you'll get to see them in some preseason games. Kreider has at least 1 more year at BC. He'll probably turn pro next year, is my guess.

Both Grachev and Stepan have a shot to make the team this year, but realistic, I wouldn't expect any of them to earn a full time spot before 2011. Kreider might be 2012, though I think he'll be ready sooner than people think.
I agree. I think Kreider will be in the NHL next year.

6-2, 220 lbs, already skates faster then 90% of the league.

He's just a real natural athlete. A freak of nature. You just don't see people that big and strong skate the way he does. And he runs people over. He hits as hard as anyone. 220 lbs(now) of muscle hitting you at high speed.

And he has the shot and hands to go with it.

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07-30-2010, 02:36 AM
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Id absolutly crap myself if Grachev resembled Franzen down the line.
by the time this would happen we'd be watching him on another team

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07-30-2010, 06:56 AM
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I agree. I think Kreider will be in the NHL next year.

6-2, 220 lbs, already skates faster then 90% of the league.

He's just a real natural athlete. A freak of nature. You just don't see people that big and strong skate the way he does. And he runs people over. He hits as hard as anyone. 220 lbs(now) of muscle hitting you at high speed.

And he has the shot and hands to go with it.
Wow.. he sounds like a smaller version of Eric Lindros!!

If Kreider keeps developing and develops NHL hockey sense/IQ.. I really see him carving out a career like a Bill Guerin. Good solid top 6 NHL player for a long time with good size, great wheels, some grit and etc...

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07-30-2010, 06:59 AM
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by the time this would happen we'd be watching him on another team
So funny how true this is.

Ranger fans would have given up (and management) by his 3rd NHL season. I could see it now. A promising rookie season (probably 15-20 goals), a letdown sophomore affair (10-15 goals), and a middle of the pack third season (15 goals). Ranger fans call him a bust.

Shipped to FLA for a 3rd rd pick and prospect in 2029.

Starts to score 30 goals.

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07-30-2010, 07:25 AM
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Stepan and Grachev were drafted in 2008 so they already had (2) years of
development since they were drafted. This is really good as these prospects
are not being rushed to the NHL level yet. Both are 20 years old so it seems
they are gaining very good experience while developing their games.
The 2008 draft is looking real good ... Gordie Clark and Slats earned their paycheck.

It seems the great organizations such as the Devils, Detroit and etc do not rush their prospects and let them develop until they are "over ripe" and then reach the NHL around 22-23 years old...

Should be an interesting year to watch Stepan and Grachev in the AHL to
see if they can keep on developing their games.

Kreider started to turn it around last year BC in the second half after the WJC. This had to give him confidence and etc going into his second year at BC. Could he be in the running for the Hobey Baker next year???

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07-30-2010, 08:00 AM
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Wrong Orr...try Bobby.
I didnt think he was serious when he said colton

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07-30-2010, 11:01 AM
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I agree. I think Kreider will be in the NHL next year.

6-2, 220 lbs, already skates faster then 90% of the league.

He's just a real natural athlete. A freak of nature. You just don't see people that big and strong skate the way he does. And he runs people over. He hits as hard as anyone. 220 lbs(now) of muscle hitting you at high speed.

And he has the shot and hands to go with it.
We'll see how this year goes. The kid is still very raw. Right now his speed allows him to get away with certain things. He's still working on making use of his linemates, his defense, etc.

The kid's got a shot to be a very good NHL player, but it's going to take some time.

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