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07-15-2010, 12:50 AM
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Oilers need a 3rd line checking center BAD

SO the Oilers are hurting for a 3rd line center. What do your fans think about this?

To Buffalo: Andrew Cogliano, Alex Plante, Linus Omark, 2nd round pick 2011

To Edmonton: Paul Gaustad

WHAT YOU'RE GETTING:

Andrew Cogliano: 1st round pick, 25th overall 2005
Had an off-season last year but had two 18 goal seasons in his rookie and sophomore year. He projects to be a 2nd line winger that can score up to 30 goals.

Alex Plante: 1st round pick, 15th overall 2007
He's a huge 6'5 225lb shutdown defenseman from the WHL who has offensive capabilities. He has a couple years left to develop but he has high potential.

Linus Omark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0_u415CDIg
Member of Sweeden's WC team. Amazing player in the SEL but even better in the KHL.

2nd round pick 2011: deep draft, depth for Sabres


WHAT THE OILERS ARE GETTING

There has been a huge hole on the Oilers 3rd line since Marchant and Peca left. You don't know what you have until it's gone and the Oilers should pay up the wazoo to fill the crater.

Thoughts? Not enough? Gaustad goes nowhere?

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07-15-2010, 12:52 AM
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I would do the trade straight up for Cogliano. I dont see Regier breaking up the Amerks bunch though. Vanek, Poms, Roy, Gaustad, and Miller. Thats our core in their opinion.


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That's too much for Gaustad.

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According to all of the press after the Niedermayer signing, the Sabres are penciliing him in as their 3rd line center - making Gaustad the likely 4th line center. Putting aside the risk of losing Gaustad's size in a trade, is Cogliano a worthwhile addition if he ends up forced into 4th line duty?

I'd test the waters about those Hemsky rumors in Edmonton, or even probe if Gagner might be had, before pursuing any deal for Cogliano.

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we'll even throw in Drew Stafford

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we'll even throw in Drew Stafford
The ship has sailed on that fairytale - Kevin Lowe is not the GM and Stafford's uncle is no longer a member of the organization. Both were linked to previous reasons the Oilers supposedly coveted Stafford.

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We have this awesome 3rd line Center named Chris Drury. You can have him for free!...no take backsies!

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I don't think you need to give up that much to get a 3rd line center.

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According to all of the press after the Niedermayer signing, the Sabres are penciliing him in as their 3rd line center - making Gaustad the likely 4th line center. Putting aside the risk of losing Gaustad's size in a trade, is Cogliano a worthwhile addition if he ends up forced into 4th line duty?

I'd test the waters about those Hemsky rumors in Edmonton, or even probe if Gagner might be had, before pursuing any deal for Cogliano.
Right now, the way i feel about Gaustad, losing his size would be like losing Gerbe's size.

I dont think I was let down more in the playoffs by anyone player then Gaustad. There was a point someone in the middle of the Boston series that i looked at the hits and Poms had more hits then Gaustad.

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Right now, the way i feel about Gaustad, losing his size would be like losing Gerbe's size.

I dont think I was let down more in the playoffs by anyone player then Gaustad. There was a point someone in the middle of the Boston series that i looked at the hits and Poms had more hits then Gaustad.
Shoulder injury. Shouldnt Even have played imho.

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i think thats a bit too much for gaustad, dont mean to troll or anything but that would be a huge loss for the sabres organization.

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i think thats a bit too much for gaustad, dont mean to troll or anything but that would be a huge loss for the sabres organization.
I think a respectable post of an "outsider's" opinion is always welcome.

Your comment is a bit contradictory though. If the return is a bit too much for Gaustad how is it a huge loss for the Sabres organization?

I agree that it is a bit too much for Gaustad. I think Paul is a good player but he is overpaid, IMO, for his contribution. If Edmonton was willing to make that offer I would jump at it, especially since we've signed Neidermeyer.

I realize that the Stafford connection to the Oilers is gone but they still may have interest in him. I would add him to the deal in a heartbeat if they requested.

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We now have 2 top 6 centers and 2 bottom 6 centers. We are in nice shape at center for the first time in awhile. Why would we disrupt that to add a middling winger?

The Sabres success at the start of last season was due in large part to the play of the bottom 6. Once Hecht moved back into the top 6. We started to struggle for the same level of play in that group.

We had essentially two 3rd lines that controled the puck at ES. By adding Nieds we finally got a replacement for the loss of Hecht in that group. Having the bottom 6 lines anchored by Nieds/Grier on one and Goose/Kaleta on the other will go a long way towards a successful regular season.

Then throw in Goose's faceoff contributions and no thanks to the trade.

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That's too much for Gaustad.
Agreed. I'd do it.

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Agreed. I'd do it.
I was waiting for the punchline in that offer for Gaustad.

Regier might even have to consider that overpayment!


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That's too much for Gaustad.
It's too much for Derek Roy...Edmonton would neverever do this for Goose.

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I don't think that Edmonton needs anything right now. They're fine with losing several games just because they're rebuilding their team right now.

Moreover as Chain already said, that's way too much for Gaustad.

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SO the Oilers are hurting for a 3rd line center. What do your fans think about this?

To Buffalo: Andrew Cogliano, Alex Plante, Linus Omark, 2nd round pick 2011

To Edmonton: Paul Gaustad

WHAT YOU'RE GETTING:

Andrew Cogliano: 1st round pick, 25th overall 2005
Had an off-season last year but had two 18 goal seasons in his rookie and sophomore year. He projects to be a 2nd line winger that can score up to 30 goals.

Alex Plante: 1st round pick, 15th overall 2007
He's a huge 6'5 225lb shutdown defenseman from the WHL who has offensive capabilities. He has a couple years left to develop but he has high potential.

Linus Omark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0_u415CDIg
Member of Sweeden's WC team. Amazing player in the SEL but even better in the KHL.

2nd round pick 2011: deep draft, depth for Sabres


WHAT THE OILERS ARE GETTING

There has been a huge hole on the Oilers 3rd line since Marchant and Peca left. You don't know what you have until it's gone and the Oilers should pay up the wazoo to fill the crater.

Thoughts? Not enough? Gaustad goes nowhere?
Wow, in a heartbeat.

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I think a respectable post of an "outsider's" opinion is always welcome.

Your comment is a bit contradictory though. If the return is a bit too much for Gaustad how is it a huge loss for the Sabres organization?

I agree that it is a bit too much for Gaustad. I think Paul is a good player but he is overpaid, IMO, for his contribution. If Edmonton was willing to make that offer I would jump at it, especially since we've signed Neidermeyer.

I realize that the Stafford connection to the Oilers is gone but they still may have interest in him. I would add him to the deal in a heartbeat if they requested.
I apologize i meant the reverse, this would be a steal for you guys lol but I dont think you would be able to get it done. But yes I agree if you plan to move stafford would seem more tempting. Cogliano is definitely being shopped with the rising of brule last season.

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Amerks....you mean pirates...

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Amerks....you mean pirates...
No...this group all played together on the Amerks before and during the lockout...before we moved to Portland.

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No...this group all played together on the Amerks before and during the lockout...before we moved to Portland.
Correct - I remember reading one article several years back, wherein the writer dubbed them "the Rochester Five" (Roy, Vanek, Pominville, Miller, Gaustad), whenever references by the Sabres' management were made to the "core" they were building around. It seemed that the "bond" the Sabres always point to is not only of the group being teammates in Rochester but moreso, that they "all grew up" together. Even some of the interviews that some of them have given in recent years still reference that connection - Miller certainly brings it up from time to time.

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We now have 2 top 6 centers and 2 bottom 6 centers. We are in nice shape at center for the first time in awhile. Why would we disrupt that to add a middling winger?

The Sabres success at the start of last season was due in large part to the play of the bottom 6. Once Hecht moved back into the top 6. We started to struggle for the same level of play in that group.

We had essentially two 3rd lines that controled the puck at ES. By adding Nieds we finally got a replacement for the loss of Hecht in that group. Having the bottom 6 lines anchored by Nieds/Grier on one and Goose/Kaleta on the other will go a long way towards a successful regular season.

Then throw in Goose's faceoff contributions and no thanks to the trade.
I'm not sure where you stand with Regier, but that's typically most fans' complaint of him, "he doesn't take risks". Basically keeping the status quo isn't enough to get us over the hump.

Now, I'm a Regier supporter and think he has done a pretty good job. Here would be a time where you'd have to take a risk in messing with team chemistry and load up on some good young talent.

Not that this would ever happen in reality, but you wouldn't trade a player you have slotted to play the 4th line that makes over $2M a season for three, better than average, young players (2 former 1st rounders) and a second round pick?

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Correct - I remember reading one article several years back, wherein the writer dubbed them "the Rochester Five" (Roy, Vanek, Pominville, Miller, Gaustad), whenever references by the Sabres' management were made to the "core" they were building around. It seemed that the "bond" the Sabres always point to is not only of the group being teammates in Rochester but moreso, that they "all grew up" together. Even some of the interviews that some of them have given in recent years still reference that connection - Miller certainly brings it up from time to time.
and here I thought Connolly was one of them...No Sarcasm.

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and here I thought Connolly was one of them...No Sarcasm.
Regier sure has tried lumping Connolly into that "core" whenever the media start scrutinizing his decision to specifically hang onto Connolly - although that seemed to change a little with the ambiguous reply Regier gave Gleason's point-blank question at the end-of-the-season PC.

But, in that infamous summer PC of 7/3/07 that he and Quinn held in the wake of losing Briere & Drury and matching the Vanek offer sheet, Regier and Quinn emphatically argued how their master plan all along was to build around the core guys who came up through Rochester together (M,R,V,P,G) - even insinuating that Briere and Drury were complementary players to support and teach the younger core. Along with justifying Vanek's contract, they laid the foundation for future arguments by emphasizing the similar importance of the other four, each of whom were later extended for multi-years. When the Buffalo media challenged them on breaking their own rule of handing out long-term deals, Regier referenced the Rochester core once again.

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