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07-16-2010, 12:21 PM
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Tor - Dal

Tomas Kaberle
Luca Caputi

for

James Neal

James Neal - Tyler Bozak - Phil Kessel
Nikolai Kulemin - Nazem Kadri - Kris Versteeg
Fredrick Sjostrom - Christian Hanson - Colby Armstrong
Colton Orr - John Mitchell - Mike Brown

Francois Beauchemin - Dion Phaneuf
Carl Gunnarsson - Mike Komisarek
Brett Lebda - Luke Schenn

JS Giggy
Gusto

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This is a very good proposal.

Except for it being awful for Dallas

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07-16-2010, 12:23 PM
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In before the lock!

Although I would do it as a Leafs fan of course....

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As much as we'd want it, Dallas won't deal any of Eriksson, Neal, Benn or Glennie for one year of Kaberle, and so they shouldn't. Those 4 will give them a scary top 6 for years to come.

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07-16-2010, 12:24 PM
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If you were Dallas would you do this?

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The value is not that close, but why would the stars want Kaberle? They'd rather have physical top 6 forward who is only 22 years old with 2 20+ goal seasons.

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07-16-2010, 12:26 PM
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This actually looks like a not bad proposal. I think Toronto would need to add in a draft pick of some type (3rd maybe?), but it looks close to me. The only concern I would have is the salary going to Dallas with Kaberle. I'm not sure if the Stars management is in a position to add salary, and I think they would only be interested in trading Neal if it were for someone who will be making less money short term. Would Kaberle waive his no trade to go to Dallas? I am not certain.

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07-16-2010, 12:29 PM
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Dallas really can't place any value on Kaberle, they're a team that is at least a year or two away from completing the rebuild.

That being said, Gunnarsson+ for Neal should be a deal that both fanbases could come to an agreement to. Obviously Neal is the better/more proven player right now, but Gunnarsson makes $800k (to Neal's likely $3-4m) and the + aspect of the deal would help get the stars the assets they need for the rebuild (including of course Gunnarsson cause the blueline is weak).

Something like Gunnarsson + d'Amigo/Stefanovich + a 2nd for Neal would be an overpayment by the Leafs, but problably worth it.


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I'd absolutely love to have Neal on the Leafs, I'd honestly trade ANY leafs player or prospect straight up for him

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Dallas doesn't do this because of their money problems. They can't build a team to utilize Kaberle. They would rather keep their young talent and build a team through their young core and try to keep costs down. Kaberle meets Dallas'#1 need, but 1 year of Kaberle and loosing Neal sets them back significantly. Good Value, bad situation in Dallas

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I'm under the belief that if Neal gets dealt, it will be for cap relief. The Leafs don't have the room to help the Stars out with that.

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Why would the Leafs ever do this. Caputi has so much more potential than Neal and he's much more proven.

He was drafted way higher, 111st compared to 33rd (bigger is better...right?) Has a better weight 190 vs 205 (this is like golf where lowest is best, right?) and the only reason he didn't score more points was because he was on a crappy team.


or something....



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throw in a pick or or someone of higher value than caputi perhaps maybe grabovski.
also a 5 player deal could happen where:

Stars acquire: Kaberle, Kulemin, Grabovski

Leafs acquire: Neal, Ribeiro

Thoughts?

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07-16-2010, 12:38 PM
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I'm under the belief that if Neal gets dealt, it will be for cap relief. The Leafs don't have the room to help the Stars out with that.
Actually they do. Toronto has a bunch of ELC players and the ability to take on approximately $4m in salary if it is in the form of a LW who can play on our top 2 lines (which Neal obviously is).

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Why would the Leafs ever do this. Caputi has so much more potential than Neal and he's much more proven.

He was drafted way higher, 111st compared to 33rd (bigger is better...right?) Has a better weight 190 vs 205 (this is like golf where lowest is best, right?) and the only reason he didn't score more points was because he was on a crappy team.


or something....
You forgot the... ... or something...

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You forgot the...
Really didn't think it was needed

Edit: But reading the post below, apparently I was wrong....I added it.

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Why would the Leafs ever do this. Caputi has so much more potential than Neal and he's much more proven.

He was drafted way higher, 111st compared to 33rd (bigger is better...right?) Has a better weight 190 vs 205 (this is like golf where lowest is best, right?) and the only reason he didn't score more points was because he was on a crappy team.


or something....
I strongly disagree. Watching Caputi last year, and in the minors, he has size and heart, but hands of stone and can't skate worth a lick. IMO if he makes it to the NHL it will be in a bottom 6 role. Hope i'm wrong, but that's what i see in Luca.

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throw in a pick or or someone of higher value than caputi perhaps maybe grabovski.
also a 5 player deal could happen where:

Stars acquire: Kaberle, Kulemin, Grabovski

Leafs acquire: Neal, Ribeiro

Thoughts?
I'd pass on Ribeiro especially with Kulemin involved...
If it involved Richards however....

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Really didn't think it was needed

Edit: But reading the post below, apparently I was wrong....I added it.
lol I figured... but yeah still, it happens

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throw in a pick or or someone of higher value than caputi perhaps maybe grabovski.
also a 5 player deal could happen where:

Stars acquire: Kaberle, Kulemin, Grabovski

Leafs acquire: Neal, Ribeiro

Thoughts?
Grabovski is not higher value than Caputi in any proposal for salary reasons. This is especially awful if it's just to do with the OP. Grabovski would become the 4/5 centerman at 2.9M.

Nieuwendyk seems to obsess with building a team that's tougher to play against. Getting Kabs, Kulemin and Grabo go directly against the grain of what he's been doing this offseason and would also mean the Stars take on more salary. Is downgrading C and LW worth upgrading D for 1 season? Totally destructive move for Dallas.

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I strongly disagree. Watching Caputi last year, and in the minors, he has size and heart, but hands of stone and can't skate worth a lick. IMO if he makes it to the NHL it will be in a bottom 6 role. Hope i'm wrong, but that's what i see in Luca.

Agreed. As bad as Poni was for the pens, losing Caputi didnt really hurt.

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I'd pass on Ribeiro especially with Kulemin involved...
If it involved Richards however....
There's no words for this. Richards and Neal for Kaberle, Kulemin and Grabovski?


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Kessel is not going to Dallas, for anybody.

Until Dallas re-signs Neal, you may want to open to the fact that he's not going to be a Star much longer.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't want Neal because of the price he'd require.
I'm inferring that Toronto doesn't have parts I'd want in a return for Neal, short of Kessel. Kessel being completely untouchable.

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There's no words for this. Richards and Neal for Kaberle, Kulemin and Grabovski?

No not at all... I meant a seperate deal/different deal involving Kulemin++ for Richards, not both lol...

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Schenn for Neal ...that may be worth considering from both ends

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