HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Ott-Bos

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-17-2010, 03:48 PM
  #1
Baarle*
Lähme looduses
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: 28.294194, -39.07612
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 8,307
vCash: 500
Ott-Bos

To Ottawa:
Thomas (5 mil for 3 years)
2011 second round pick

To Boston:
Leclaire (3.8 for 1 years)

Thoughts?

EDIT: According to Big Alan contract numbers were wrong..now changed


Last edited by Baarle*: 07-17-2010 at 03:58 PM.
Baarle* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 03:49 PM
  #2
Baarle*
Lähme looduses
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: 28.294194, -39.07612
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 8,307
vCash: 500
**Contracts according to capgeek

Baarle* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 03:50 PM
  #3
Mach 9*
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: New York (not city)
Country: United States
Posts: 3,367
vCash: 500
Thomas - 5 MIL for 3 years
Leclaire 3.8 for 1 year

No thanks

Mach 9* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 03:56 PM
  #4
LucicTrain*
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,873
vCash: 500
amazing the lack of respect Thomas gets around here

LucicTrain* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 03:57 PM
  #5
Mach 9*
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: New York (not city)
Country: United States
Posts: 3,367
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucicTrain View Post
amazing the lack of respect Thomas gets around here
No lack of respect, just a bad contract.

Mach 9* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:03 PM
  #6
denkiteki
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucicTrain View Post
amazing the lack of respect Thomas gets around here
There's no guarantee he will bounce back to form at the age of 36 with 3 years left in his contract. Not many teams are willing to pay 5mil/yr for a goalie 36-39.

denkiteki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:05 PM
  #7
SensontheRush
Rik Rondra
 
SensontheRush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,154
vCash: 500
Are you guys over the cap? Otherwise I would do Leclaire and Kuba for Thomas and a first rounder. Well actually.......

Thomas < Leclaire because of the contract

and Kuba > first rounder.......

so could we get a 2nd or something

My reasoning is that we can't just absorb that extra 2m, we need to resign Foligno and Regin and to a lesser extent Campoli. And with Kuba and Leclaire, you shed that salary in a year so....

SensontheRush is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:07 PM
  #8
LucicTrain*
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,873
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by denkiteki View Post
There's no guarantee he will bounce back to form at the age of 36 with 3 years left in his contract. Not many teams are willing to pay 5mil/yr for a goalie 36-39.
he was damn good last season. its not like he was bad and needs to bounce back for a tough season. he played very good he just got beat out by a stud. and like i've said numerous times, he was a late bloomer in his career and doesnt have the wear and tear of NHL play like most goalies his age.

LucicTrain* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:09 PM
  #9
wingsfan17
Registered User
 
wingsfan17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 614
vCash: 500
Makes no sense on Boston's part, they give up a much better goalie and a 2nd rounder in order to clear cap space that wouldn't be enough for them to sign Wheeler anyways...

wingsfan17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:09 PM
  #10
denkiteki
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SensontheRush View Post
Are you guys over the cap? Otherwise I would do Leclaire and Kuba for Thomas and a first rounder. Well actually.......

Thomas < Leclaire because of the contract

and Kuba > first rounder.......

so could we get a 2nd or something
They are not over the cap but they don't have cap space to fit in Wheeler or Seguin. I don't know if Kuba is > 1st rounder either... i guess its debatable.

denkiteki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:10 PM
  #11
Baarle*
Lähme looduses
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: 28.294194, -39.07612
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 8,307
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SensontheRush View Post
Are you guys over the cap? Otherwise I would do Leclaire and Kuba for Thomas and a first rounder. Well actually.......

Thomas < Leclaire because of the contract

and Kuba > first rounder.......

so could we get a 2nd or something
How is Kuba > first rounder? and no they have about 500k cap space. Try Kuba and Leclaire for Thomas and Ryder. Ottawa has to be the team taking on salary otherwise it kills the point and doesn't work.

Baarle* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:11 PM
  #12
SensontheRush
Rik Rondra
 
SensontheRush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,154
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchleafguy View Post
How is Kuba > first rounder? and no they have about 500k cap space. Try Kuba and Leclaire for Thomas and Ryder. Ottawa has to be the team taking on salary otherwise it kills the point and doesn't work.
Thing is we can't take on much salary, we need to resign people too

SensontheRush is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:13 PM
  #13
denkiteki
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucicTrain View Post
he was damn good last season. its not like he was bad and needs to bounce back for a tough season. he played very good he just got beat out by a stud. and like i've said numerous times, he was a late bloomer in his career and doesnt have the wear and tear of NHL play like most goalies his age.
Even if he doesn't have the wear and tear, his contract is still a 35+ contract which by itself is high risk. He didn't have a bad season but he didn't have a season worth a 5mil/yr goalie either. If he doesn't play better, he isn't earning that 5mil contract.

1 Lundqvist, Henrik » NYR G 28 6 $6,875,000
2 Ward, Cam » CAR G 26 6 $6,300,000
3 Miller, Ryan » BUF G 30 5 $6,250,000
4 Giguere, J. » TOR G 33 4 $6,000,000
5 Backstrom, Niklas » MIN G 32 4 $6,000,000
6 Kiprusoff, Miikka » CGY G 33 6 $5,833,333
7 Vokoun, Tomas » FLA G 34 4 $5,700,000
8 Huet, Cristobal » CHI G 34 4 $5,625,000
9 Luongo, Roberto » VAN G 31 12 $5,333,333
10 Brodeur, Martin » NJD G 38 6 $5,200,000
11 Thomas, Tim » BOS G 36 4 $5,000,000

11th highest cap hit in the league and we all know what type of contract Huet's contract is. But Huet isn't on a 35+ contract making it debatable that his is actually better just because you can bury it. Basically Thomas is the owner of the highest cap hit 35+ contract.

denkiteki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:15 PM
  #14
denkiteki
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SensontheRush View Post
Thing is we can't take on much salary, we need to resign people too
Not saying you didn't either but Boston (in terms of cap space) is in worst shape and if they want to fit in Wheeler, something has to give (unless they are willing to bury Ryder).

denkiteki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:16 PM
  #15
Captain Smurf
Naively Optimistic
 
Captain Smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Thornhill, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,785
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucicTrain View Post
he was damn good last season. its not like he was bad and needs to bounce back for a tough season. he played very good he just got beat out by a stud. and like i've said numerous times, he was a late bloomer in his career and doesnt have the wear and tear of NHL play like most goalies his age.
Where and tear isn't the concern, its the natural decline in ones physical abilities around that age. This is a good deal for Boston, it clears some cap at minimal cost, and considering just how weak the goalie market is right now, getting rid of his contract is a win.


Last edited by Captain Smurf: 07-17-2010 at 04:42 PM.
Captain Smurf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:21 PM
  #16
Baarle*
Lähme looduses
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: 28.294194, -39.07612
Country: Netherlands
Posts: 8,307
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SensontheRush View Post
Thing is we can't take on much salary, we need to resign people too
I know, I was just using the foundation of your propsal to show you how it might work..even though it probably woulndt unless Ottawa throws in a guy making about 1 -1.5 mil

Baarle* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:25 PM
  #17
Cliff O Malley
Registered User
 
Cliff O Malley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: I DUNNO?
Country: United States
Posts: 3,726
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JonoDynasty View Post
Where and tar isn't the concern, its the natural decline in ones physical abilities around that age. This is a good deal for Boston, it clears some cap at minimal cost, and considering just how weak the goalie market is right now, getting rid of his contract is a win.
um..wha?

Cliff O Malley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:26 PM
  #18
denkiteki
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,542
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff O Malley View Post
um..wha?
I'm guessing wear and tear

denkiteki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:40 PM
  #19
IrishPaulie
Sooshii is AWESOME!!
 
IrishPaulie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Woostah
Country: Ireland
Posts: 4,801
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to IrishPaulie
I don't mind the deal terribly as we may never get another chance to shed Thomas' salary again. He has a NTC and if he sits on the bench his value will continue to plummet. He didn't have a good year last year, and unless Tuukka hits a speed bump then his playing time will be so minimal that no one will trade for a 5 million dollar backup. Unless Tuukka hits a sophomore slump and Thomas has another good year no team will touch that contract.

That said if we make this trade, I'm not sure Pascal "I've never seen a full healthy season" LeClaire is the guy I'd trust backing up a sophomore goalie.

We can't give up a first and take on Kuba's salary though. So unless Ottawa plans on taking Ryder with it then it's just not possible.

I dunno. I guess I'm still on the fence on this proposal. I think it has potential but is almost a lateral move with minimal cap gained...

IrishPaulie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:47 PM
  #20
LucicTrain*
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,873
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SensontheRush View Post
Are you guys over the cap? Otherwise I would do Leclaire and Kuba for Thomas and a first rounder. Well actually.......

Thomas < Leclaire because of the contract

and Kuba > first rounder.......

so could we get a 2nd or something

My reasoning is that we can't just absorb that extra 2m, we need to resign Foligno and Regin and to a lesser extent Campoli. And with Kuba and Leclaire, you shed that salary in a year so....
this is exactly what i mean by lack of respect

LucicTrain* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:49 PM
  #21
LucicTrain*
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,873
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishPaulie View Post
I don't mind the deal terribly as we may never get another chance to shed Thomas' salary again. He has a NTC and if he sits on the bench his value will continue to plummet. He didn't have a good year last year, and unless Tuukka hits a speed bump then his playing time will be so minimal that no one will trade for a 5 million dollar backup. Unless Tuukka hits a sophomore slump and Thomas has another good year no team will touch that contract.

That said if we make this trade, I'm not sure Pascal "I've never seen a full healthy season" LeClaire is the guy I'd trust backing up a sophomore goalie.

We can't give up a first and take on Kuba's salary though. So unless Ottawa plans on taking Ryder with it then it's just not possible.

I dunno. I guess I'm still on the fence on this proposal. I think it has potential but is almost a lateral move with minimal cap gained...
i dont think he'll sit on the bench, he will probably spilt the starts 60/40 or 70/30 with Rask and once someone goaltender either goes down or fails miserably Thomas will have value

LucicTrain* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:53 PM
  #22
SensFan26
Registered User
 
SensFan26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Sydney, NS
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,464
vCash: 500
Ottawa laughs and hangs up.. Then calls the Trade Office.

SensFan26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:54 PM
  #23
IrishPaulie
Sooshii is AWESOME!!
 
IrishPaulie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Woostah
Country: Ireland
Posts: 4,801
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to IrishPaulie
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucicTrain View Post
i dont think he'll sit on the bench, he will probably spilt the starts 60/40 or 70/30 with Rask and once someone goaltender either goes down or fails miserably Thomas will have value
I'd share your opinion if it wasn't for the fact that Rasks bonus last year was based on games started. Julien and Chia decided he was the guy over Timmy at the end of the year when we were still a fringe team and they didn't care about him getting his bonus. They obviously think of Tuukka as the #1 guy and are going to want him to get his reps in. Unless Tuukka falters I don't see Thomas getting more than 25 games.

In which case unless he dominate every last one of them, then his value will be declining. You factor that, his age, and his off season surgery in and we may have to eat that contract.

I'd take any salary clearing deal to clear Thomas in all honesty. But only getting 1.5 mil in cap space won't even cover Wheeler.

IrishPaulie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:56 PM
  #24
trentmccleary
Registered User
 
trentmccleary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Alfie-Ville
Posts: 18,855
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchleafguy View Post
To Ottawa:
Thomas (5 mil for 3 years)
2011 second round pick

To Boston:
Leclaire (3.8 for 1 years)

Thoughts?

EDIT: According to Big Alan contract numbers were wrong..now changed
Thomas's age and contract scare me, but he'd be a definite upgrade in goal at a critical point in this core's legacy.

I don't necessarily want to keep the 2nd... I might prefer the opportunity to take a **** on your cap next summer if we need to. Maybe a $2 - $2.5M dump and your pick back.

trentmccleary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-17-2010, 04:58 PM
  #25
danishh
Dat Stache
 
danishh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: mtl/ott/somewhere
Country: Canada
Posts: 29,713
vCash: 500
i'd take it. 2 extra years... we can live with that.
couldnt do it as an offseason trade though, need to see what leclaire and elliott do for a month first.

danishh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:24 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.