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07-18-2010, 01:22 AM
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From a Pens perspective.....

DONE and DONE!!!!!!!!!

Kings would NEVER do this in a million years....
Agreed.

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07-18-2010, 01:31 AM
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Counter offer:

To Kings:
Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Fleury
2011-2091 1st round picks
2011-3011 2nd round picks
Dan Bylsma

To Pens:
Drew Doughty
Jamie Kompon


Kings still say no.

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07-18-2010, 01:36 AM
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Counter offer:

To Kings:
Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Fleury
2011-2091 1st round picks
2011-3011 2nd round picks
Dan Bylsma

To Pens:
Drew Doughty
Jamie Kompon


Kings still say no.
Strangely something tells me they would actually say yes

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07-18-2010, 01:39 AM
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Malkin and Goligoski for Doughty and Stoll

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07-18-2010, 01:40 AM
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Malkin and Kopitar are both #1 centers and, if Kopitar reaches his potential, will both hover around 100-110 points through their careers. I'm not saying Kopitar is as good as Malkin, but the difference is marginal as they're both 1st line centers. The difference between Doughty and Goligoski is much, much larger, though. Doughty is likely a perrenial Norris finalist, while Goligoski is a fringe 1st pairing offensive specialist, who will never see a Norris nomination.

I think the Penguins win this deal, especially in the long run.

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07-18-2010, 01:40 AM
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Counter offer:

To Kings:
Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Fleury
2011-2091 1st round picks
2011-3011 2nd round picks
Dan Bylsma

To Pens:
Drew Doughty
Jamie Kompon


Kings still say no.
Kings would say yes only if they are getting Dan Bylsma as a player

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07-18-2010, 01:44 AM
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Way too much from the Kings. Malkin for Kopitar plus a nice little something (JMFJ?) is probably more accurate.

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07-18-2010, 02:04 AM
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It's amazing how one poor, injury plagued season totally erases everyone's sense of how good a player is. Doesn't anyone remember Malkin won the Art Ross and Conn Smythe last year? Not to mention putting up more points in a playoff run than anyone not named Gretzky or Lemieux?

Not to mention the fact that I could probably find threads from a few years back w/ Calgary fans making the same kind of statements about Phaneuf that Kings fans are currently making about Doughty.

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07-18-2010, 02:12 AM
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It's amazing how one poor, injury plagued season totally erases everyone's sense of how good a player is. Doesn't anyone remember Malkin won the Art Ross and Conn Smythe last year? Not to mention putting up more points in a playoff run than anyone not named Gretzky or Lemieux?

Not to mention the fact that I could probably find threads from a few years back w/ Calgary fans making the same kind of statements about Phaneuf that Kings fans are currently making about Doughty.
The major difference is their hockey sense and decision making ability. Dion was known for big hits and his shot were Doughty is known for actually being able to play the position while providing offense.

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07-18-2010, 02:26 AM
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Malkin and Goligoski for Doughty and Stoll
If you're serious, answer is still hell no.

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07-18-2010, 04:11 AM
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It's amazing how one poor, injury plagued season totally erases everyone's sense of how good a player is. Doesn't anyone remember Malkin won the Art Ross and Conn Smythe last year? Not to mention putting up more points in a playoff run than anyone not named Gretzky or Lemieux?

Not to mention the fact that I could probably find threads from a few years back w/ Calgary fans making the same kind of statements about Phaneuf that Kings fans are currently making about Doughty.
lol this, but you are wasting your time man. So many convinced that Doughty is worth more than an Art Ross winner, Hart Finalist, Conn Smythe winner even though he hasn't actually achieved anything beyond a Norris nomination.

but but but, he's a defenseman

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07-18-2010, 04:24 AM
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lol this, but you are wasting your time man. So many convinced that Doughty is worth more than an Art Ross winner, Hart Finalist, Conn Smythe winner even though he hasn't actually achieved anything beyond a Norris nomination.

but but but, he's a defenseman
Cool then. I'm glad we have no issues here. We keep Doughty and you guys keep Malkin.

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07-18-2010, 05:07 AM
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Cool then. I'm glad we have no issues here. We keep Doughty and you guys keep Malkin.
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07-18-2010, 05:15 AM
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It's amazing how one poor, injury plagued season totally erases everyone's sense of how good a player is. Doesn't anyone remember Malkin won the Art Ross and Conn Smythe last year? Not to mention putting up more points in a playoff run than anyone not named Gretzky or Lemieux?

Not to mention the fact that I could probably find threads from a few years back w/ Calgary fans making the same kind of statements about Phaneuf that Kings fans are currently making about Doughty.
Malkin is Russian and this is an NA board - that's the problem. Malkin was better than Crosby 2 out of 3 last seasons, but Crosby is everything for americans and canadians, and Malkin is just another player.

I guess Malkin will win a lot in the future, and those both Kings will win nothing...

P.S. In his worst season Malkin had 4 less points than Kopitar in 15 less games. And Geno played with 3-4 liners while Kopitar had top 6 wingers... A simple swop Kopitar for Malkin would give Kings 30-40 more points (15-20 goals I'd say). The difference between Doughty and Goligoski is much less...


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07-18-2010, 05:29 AM
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Replace Doughty with Scuderi in that deal and it's ok. Scuderi is after all "the piece" that Pittsburgh was missing last season.
What!?

Kopitar + Scuderi

Malkin + Goligoski



You actually think that's a fair deal?

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07-18-2010, 05:33 AM
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Don't know how you can say Doughty has more value than Malkin
Easy. Doughty is a generational defenseman. In other words, the last 2 20-year-olds to be nominated for the Norris were Ray Borque and Bobby Orr.

Also, which center led the NHL in scoring for 2 months last season. Hint: it wasn't Malkin.

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07-18-2010, 05:35 AM
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What!?

Kopitar + Scuderi

Malkin + Goligoski



You actually think that's a fair deal?
More than the original deal, yes.

Kopitar ~= Malkin, with the slight edge to Malkin
Scuderi ~= Goligoski, with the slight edge to Scuderi

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07-18-2010, 05:37 AM
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Counter offer:

To Kings:
Crosby
Malkin
Staal
Fleury
2011-2091 1st round picks
2011-3011 2nd round picks
Dan Bylsma

To Pens:
Drew Doughty
Jamie Kompon


Kings still say no.
Actually, I would say yes to that in a heartbeat, but Pittsburgh wouldn't.

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07-18-2010, 05:41 AM
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More than the original deal, yes.

Kopitar ~= Malkin, with the slight edge to Malkin
Scuderi ~= Goligoski, with the slight edge to Scuderi
Lol the difference between Malkin and Kopitar is not "slight" Kopitar has never been a ppg player, Malkin has never not been a ppg player.

Kopitar 318 games, 285 points
Malkin 309 games, 381 points

that is a big difference.

not to mention 73 points in in 62 playoff games, the Conn Smythe, Art Ross, Hart finalist, Calder, 2 time 1st team all star, where is Kopitar's hardware lol? give me a break.


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More than the original deal, yes.

Kopitar ~= Malkin, with the slight edge to Malkin
Scuderi ~= Goligoski, with the slight edge to Scuderi
there's no slight edge for Malkin between him and Kopitar. Malkin is so much better than Kopitar that the Kings would need to a ton to get Geno. also the salaries both Scuderi and Goligoski get make Goligoski the more valuable player out of those two. Kings fans need to cool down,you don't trade unproven assets for generational talent like this.

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07-18-2010, 05:55 AM
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There is one more reason making original proposal is impossible for Pens. It's money. Kopitar is getting almost 7M per year, Doughty will have close to this or even more in a year. Pittsburgh will never find a place for both of them in its roster... Malkin is a way more money efficient player than both Kings...

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More than the original deal, yes.

Kopitar ~= Malkin, with the slight edge to Malkin
Scuderi ~= Goligoski, with the slight edge to Scuderi
slight edge to Malkin .

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Thread is stupid.

I would be surprised if more than 3 Penguin fans have seen more than 3 Kings games last season.

But on the other end, probably the same with Kings fans (but probably more of a chance seeing as of the timezone difference and how much the Penguins got national coverage instead of the Kings.)

Of course the Pens will think their players are better. Of course the Kings will think their players are better.

I wouldn't do the deal since Kopitar/Doughty have the POTENTIAL to be superstars. Even if both of the Penguin players became superstars (Malkin already is one), I would still want to keep the guys the Kings brought up on their own.

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Thread is stupid.

I would be surprised if more than 3 Penguin fans have seen more than 3 Kings games last season.

But on the other end, probably the same with Kings fans (but probably more of a chance seeing as of the timezone difference and how much the Penguins got national coverage instead of the Kings.)

Of course the Pens will think their players are better. Of course the Kings will think their players are better.

I wouldn't do the deal since Kopitar/Doughty have the POTENTIAL to be superstars. Even if both of the Penguin players became superstars (Malkin already is one), I would still want to keep the guys the Kings brought up on their own.
Pensfan here and I'd agree with this. This discussion is not leading anywhere.

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More than the original deal, yes.

Kopitar ~= Malkin, with the slight edge to Malkin
Scuderi ~= Goligoski, with the slight edge to Scuderi



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