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Kevin Bieksa (D) $3,750,000. 1 year left.
2012 3rd
New Jersey gets their offensive defenseman who can work on his defensive game with the Devils coaches.
Bieksa could blossom into a stud under the right guidance.
Canucks get an immediate replacement in Bryce Salvador who can log quality minutes and shut down the opposition without losing Bieksa's physicality. They also receive an NHL ready D prospect who can play on the 3rd pair while being worked into the Canucks system. Also, Patrick Davis could slot right into their bottom-6 and give them some youthful energy. With New Jersey's log jam at wing, Davis will have a hard time cracking the line-up.
Last edited by Oroku Saki: 07-18-2010 at 02:36 AM.
Didn't realize they needed cap-room. If they need to shed some salary, we could take out Salvador and the 3rd.
Bieksa for Fraser and Davis. Fraser can immediately step into the 6th slot. He technically isn't a prospect anymore, he played a full season last season. We just don't need anymore defensive defenseman, even though he is a solid defender and is physical.
Bryce Salvador (D) $2,900,000. 2 years left on contract.
This is the problem with the trade. It doesn't really alleviate the Canucks' Cap problems as it seems that the general consensus I'm getting from Canuck fans (and I agree with them) is that we need to trade Bieksa and take on (at most) roughly $1M in salary for a bottom-6 guy.
I don't see this working at all. Canucks won't be taking that kind of salary back if/when Bieksa is dealt. They definitely don't need Salvador or Fraser. Davis would be a nice addition to the organization, but the Canucks need a reliable/veteran/checking third-liner.
As for return in a Bieksa deal, Canucks will be looking for any of:
- a solid prospect;
- reliable 3rd liner on a good contract (<$1.5mil)
- pick(s)
Frankly, I don't see any Devils prospects that meet Vancouver's needs and unless you can make this into a 3-way deal it doesn't make much sense.
Didn't realize they needed cap-room. If they need to shed some salary, we could take out Salvador and the 3rd.
Bieksa for Fraser and Davis. Fraser can immediately step into the 6th slot. He technically isn't a prospect anymore, he played a full season last season. We just don't need anymore defensive defenseman, even though he is a solid defender and is physical.
Why does Vancouver want Fraser? Sure, he'd be a good addition, but at the moment:
Hamhuis
Ballard
Salo
Edler
Ehrhoff
Bieksa
O'Brien
Alberts
Rome
They need to get rid of at least one player (ideally Bieksa, slim chance they could move Ehrhoff). One of O'Brien or Alberts would need to go as well if they're to add yet another NHL-caliber D-man.
Canucks want to win now, and are in need of 3rd line checkers/PK'ers, so Davis doesn't make much sense.
Kevin Bieksa (D) $3,750,000. 1 year left.
2012 3rd
New Jersey gets their offensive defenseman who can work on his defensive game with the Devils coaches.
Bieksa could blossom into a stud under the right guidance.
Canucks get an immediate replacement in Bryce Salvador who can log quality minutes and shut down the opposition without losing Bieksa's physicality. They also receive an NHL ready D prospect who can play on the 3rd pair while being worked into the Canucks system. Also, Patrick Davis could slot right into their bottom-6 and give them some youthful energy. With New Jersey's log jam at wing, Davis will have a hard time cracking the line-up.
The original deal makes no sense at all for the 'nucks because as others have stated it saves us no salary. Changing Salvador to a 3rd makes the deal a bit better but still no real reason to do it unless this is the best offer we get (which i really doubt it would be).
Mark Fraser realistically has no (or little) value for us because we have Rome who would do a much better job than him as a #7 dman (and only paid 750k). Also we have Oberg who doesn't need to clear waivers if we need a #8 dman. Thats of course assuming we get rid of another one of the 9. I believe Fraser needs to clear waivers starting next season because it has been 3 year since he signed his first contract @ 20. So either a #8 dman eating up cap space or someone we need to waive.
Davis - basically another bottom 6 guy who could compete for a spot. Has some value but i wouldn't say a lot of value.
The trade would then basically be a 3rd + Davis + minor amount of value from Fraser (due to the situation i mentioned above). Isn't nearly as attractive as say getting a 2nd round pick + a decent bottom 6 forward (prefer proven)... which right now seems to be the asking price for Bieksa.
Why does Vancouver want Fraser? Sure, he'd be a good addition, but at the moment:
Hamhuis
Ballard
Salo
Edler
Ehrhoff
Bieksa
O'Brien
Alberts
Rome
They need to get rid of at least one player (ideally Bieksa, slim chance they could move Ehrhoff). One of O'Brien or Alberts would need to go as well if they're to add yet another NHL-caliber D-man.
Canucks want to win now, and are in need of 3rd line checkers/PK'ers, so Davis doesn't make much sense.
Davis is a 3rd line checker, energy, good on the forecheck kind of player with an offensive touch. He is exactly what you are looking for but just not that experienced.
Fraser is a long term solution who definitely doesn't hurt to have around. I'd take him over Alberts and Rome. He could be on your blueline for years to come.
I didn't realize you guys needed cap space so I would be fine with a 2nd and a prospect. I think Davis would fit in very nicely with your team.
Davis is a 3rd line checker, energy, good on the forecheck kind of player with an offensive touch. He is exactly what you are looking for but just not that experienced.
Fraser is a long term solution who definitely doesn't hurt to have around. I'd take him over Alberts and Rome. He could be on your blueline for years to come.
I didn't realize you guys needed cap space so I would be fine with a 2nd and a prospect. I think Davis would fit in very nicely with your team.
On paper it may be a fair deal, sure... but I don't think the Canucks are looking for Davis-type players as their 3rd line solution. They need proven players.
Davis is a 3rd line checker, energy, good on the forecheck kind of player with an offensive touch. He is exactly what you are looking for but just not that experienced.
Fraser is a long term solution who definitely doesn't hurt to have around. I'd take him over Alberts and Rome. He could be on your blueline for years to come.
I didn't realize you guys needed cap space so I would be fine with a 2nd and a prospect. I think Davis would fit in very nicely with your team.
I disagree about taking him over Rome. You know Rome is only 3 years older but showed signs that he can step into a top 4 role for short periods. Fraser is basically a faster and younger version of Alberts (and thus also less experience).
For value, sure. But Salvador, while certainly having a decent skill set for a stay at home Dman, has a salary the Canucks can't take on without moving someone else. Thank you, but no thank you. For the other players, Davis and Fraser, both could help with depth, but we have plenty of Dmen, so Fraser doesn't really fit a need for us. Davis is alot better at filling our needs for a competent bottom 6 prospect, but I'm afraid he alone won't net you Bieksa.
If Jamie didn't make so much I'd say instantly. Or if we can send SOB with Biek n you keep that pick handy.
I'd like to see what Lagenbrunner can do one a line with Kesler.
If Jamie didn't make so much I'd say instantly. Or if we can send SOB with Biek n you keep that pick handy.
I'd like to see what Lagenbrunner can do one a line with Kesler.
You do know that if we did that, it would also likely cost us Raymond due to lack of cap space to resign him. Only other way we fit both is dump Alberts, SOB, and Bieksa (meaning Rome as #6 and #7/8/9 = all on moose) without altering the top 5 dman/rest of the core.
There's not really a way to add another 2.8M forward. Even if Raymond only gets 2.5M and we dump both Alberts and SOB, we still only have 3M left over with a 21 man roster and the bonus cushion. We can probably take back a 1.5M forward, but not more than that. If we keep Alberts or SOB, it'll be even less. If we keep both, the roster is pretty much set. I doubt that'll happen though.
IMO, this is what we'll go into the season with, plus a 3rd line forward.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($2.500m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.666m)
Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($0.700m)
Tanner Glass ($0.625m) / Rick Rypien ($0.550m) / Victor Oreskovich ($0.575m)
Darcy Hordichuk ($0.775m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Aaron Rome ($0.750m) / Sami Salo ($3.500m)
Andrew Alberts ($1.050m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,265,000; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,985,000
I would not. Langenbrunner is a 60 point forward who makes $2.8 M (a bargain), and he's our captain. He's also our only real top 6 RW (unless Tedenby makes the team as a RW), because Clarkson and Zubrus really aren't top 6 guys, although they can play there effectively sometimes.
We practically have a logjam of shutdown defensemen.
What does that have to do with Bieksa? Bieksa would provide the Devils' defense with a RH'ed shot and while he's not a true PP QB, has put up over 40 points twice and is solid at getting his shot through traffic and on the net.
That's a bit of salary going New Jersey's way. Maybe take out O'Brien and the NJ pick? Depends on the prospect I guess.
Since I'm open to the idea of trading Raymond how about...
Raymond
Bieksa
for
Salvador
Langenbrunner
Close? With maybe O'Brien from Vancouver to somewhat fill in for Salvador in exchange for a prospect... not sure about Devils cap situation.
Raymond is the reason we're trading Bieksa. I don't believe Langenbrunner is enough of an upgrade over Raymond to allow the downgrade from Bieksa to Salvador. I don't think NJ fans will want to trade Langenbrunner either, and even if they did, Devils management thought enough of him to pin a C to his jersey.
