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07-19-2010, 01:00 PM
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The NJ - Kovy fall-out

FOR SURE Kovalshuk will be putting NJ over the cap.

With Parise and Kovy on the left side of the top 2 lines, Arnott and Zajac at center and Zubrus and Langenbrunner on the right - the top 2 lines in NJ are set!

Notice who is NOT on the top 2 lines and are thus the guys to be moved out?

Elias and Rolston.

Both will need to be moved due to lack of ice-time on the offensive units and ESPECIALLY due to lack of cap space to keep them.

NJ is set on D and OBVIOUSLY in goal too.

So the forwrad lines are..

Kovalchuk Arnott Langenbrunner
Parise Zajac Zubrus
??? ??? Clarkson
Leblond ??? Zharkov

How about the Leafs help fill in the ??? spots

Grabovski - 2.9
Caputti - .833

For

Elias - 6m
Rolston - 5m

NJ gets younger and much cheaper players to fill in the 2 empty 3rd line spots
TOR gets proven offensive contributors to fill the top 2 lines...

Elias\Kadri\Rolston
Kulemin\Bozak\Kessel
Sjostrom\Vertseeg\Armstrong
Brown\Mitchell\Orr

This would insulate Kessel's line from the opposition checkers and would give Kadri lots of veteran weapons to help his development as all he has to do is let the E and R work to get open and receive the beauty pass that is sure to come from Kadri's stick.

Though the Leafs don't have a TON of cap space - once Finger is demoted and Kaberle is moved for picks, this deal would leave them with $265k in cap space. At the end of the season, when Giguere's $6m is off the books - the Leafs can look at replacing\upgrading one of the kid centers if they don't pan out, or may need that money to get a #1 goalie if Gustavsson falls on his face as the starter.

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this is not even close to practical. arnott was brought in to get elias going again. they will try to move rolston but if they cant' he will prob get demoted and paid like mogilny

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Elias has a NMC and is ahead of Zubrus on the depth chart.

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07-19-2010, 01:10 PM
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You really don't understand the importance of cap room with the Leafs taking two guys on it would completely tie them up. Getting rid of guys isn't that easy as seen by this off-season.
HF people need to understand that there are more bad contracts out there for iffy players then there is cap room or willingness to take on these players. Face it we all have em and are stuck with em. We are entering a age where some players will have zip value if somebody will even take them. Not picking on these two....cept maybe Roloston but that's just the way things are.

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[QUOTE=Hollywoodhudon;26980845]FOR SURE Kovalshuk will be putting NJ over the cap.

How about the Leafs help fill in the ??? spots

Grabovski - 2.9
Caputti - .833

For

Elias - 6m
Rolston - 5m

umm!!!HELLO have you ever heard of cap space?????...i might be going out on a limb here but i dont think this happens...good try tho

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This will not be pretty for NJ.

But a deal with the NYI could fix it with them needing to get to the ceiling.

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Any info on the terms of Kovalchuk's contract?

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No room for those two on the Leafs. I also can't see Lou asking Elias to waive his NMC (or NTC?) because of what he's accomplished in the Devils organization in his career.

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Not gonna happen!

Elias is a Devil for life. If anyone's going, it's Rolston, Lagenbrunner, and Zubrus.

Also, YOUR PROPOSAL IS ****ING TERRIBLE!

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this is not even close to practical. arnott was brought in to get elias going again. they will try to move rolston but if they cant' he will prob get demoted and paid like mogilny
Rolston was over 35 when this deal was signed even if he is sent to the minors he counts against the cap.


Leafs pass on this horrible horrible deal btw.

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Not gonna happen!

Elias is a Devil for life. If anyone's going, it's Rolston, Lagenbrunner, and Zubrus.

Also, YOUR PROPOSAL IS ****ING TERRIBLE!
Rolston has a NTC. Langenbrunner is definately moveable. Who's going to want Zubrus?

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Elias has a NMC and is ahead of Zubrus on the depth chart.
This ^. They would move rolston and zubrus prior to elias. Also don't forget hedbergs and arnotts contracts are off their books next year freeing up another 6 mil. Then they can choose who they want to keep and let walk.

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If Rolston can be moved, Rolston will be moved.

Expect the following if that is the case:

Parise - Zajac - Zubrus
Elias - Arnott - Langenbrunner
Kovalchuk - Josefson - Clarkson

If Rolston can't be moved, Zubrus and Langenbrunner are both candidates for new clubs. Either way, Salvador is certainly on the trading block.

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Rolston has a NTC. Langenbrunner is definately moveable. Who's going to want Zubrus?
Zubrus has been awesome. Of all the candidates to be moved, he's the one I'd want to move least.

Elias isn't even a candidate.

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I don't understand the lack of READING people do. Read the ENTIRE post before replying - its just foolishness not to.

I have done the calculations and even go so far as to EXPLAIN the cap space issue for the Leafs and how ya, they would ab a little handcuffed this year, BUT get $6m in relief next year when Giguere's deal is off the books.

As for Elias being a head of Zubrus, sure, but wrong wing! And if Arnott was brought in to get Elias going... why did they sign Kovalchuk?

NJ has $3.748m in cap space BEFORE the signing of Kovy, a 3rd line center and a 4th line center.

Kovy will likely be about a 7-8m cap hit, meaning that Rolston being moved will NOT be enough, anmd although the D is solid, removing any one of those players will result in a HUGE hole on D.

I gues they could try and squeek under the cap by keeping Elias over Zubrus, but why when you can have flexibility by moving the older, more expensive guy who would be playing his wrong wing anyways!

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the Devils will try to move Rolston and Zubrus, but who wants them ? They can send Zubrus to the minors, but who will trade for Rolston ? a 37 year old making 5 Millions per year for another 2 season and comming from 37 and 32 point seasons.

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I don't understand the lack of READING people do. Read the ENTIRE post before replying - its just foolishness not to.

I have done the calculations and even go so far as to EXPLAIN the cap space issue for the Leafs and how ya, they would ab a little handcuffed this year, BUT get $6m in relief next year when Giguere's deal is off the books.

As for Elias being a head of Zubrus, sure, but wrong wing! And if Arnott was brought in to get Elias going... why did they sign Kovalchuk?

NJ has $3.748m in cap space BEFORE the signing of Kovy, a 3rd line center and a 4th line center.

Kovy will likely be about a 7-8m cap hit, meaning that Rolston being moved will NOT be enough, anmd although the D is solid, removing any one of those players will result in a HUGE hole on D.

I gues they could try and squeek under the cap by keeping Elias over Zubrus, but why when you can have flexibility by moving the older, more expensive guy who would be playing his wrong wing anyways!
Ignoring the fact that 265K is not enough cap space imo. Toronto would be in Chicago like cap hell next season.
That 6m that comes off the books with Gigure's contract next season would quickly be eaten up by raises to Schenn, Gunnar and Bozak. What about the bonus penalty we are sure to incur next season? We probably have more ELC's than any team in the league. If we are that close to the cap this year we would probably be looking at a 3m + bonus cushion penalty.

It's a horrible deal for Toronto stop trying to defend it.

Now I could see Toronto having some interest in Langenbrunner if he was cheap.

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the Devils will try to move Rolston and Zubrus, but who wants them ? They can send Zubrus to the minors, but who will trade for Rolston ? a 37 year old making 5 Millions per year for another 2 season and comming from 37 and 32 point seasons.
We'd find a buyer for Zubrus if the Devils tried to move him. I don't think he's going anywhere though.

Rolston can score 20 goals, and if packaged with something of value *cough*1st*cough*, someone like the Isles will take him.

Salvador is all but gone, I believe. He's not worthless, either.

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FOR SURE Kovalshuk will be putting NJ over the cap.

With Parise and Kovy on the left side of the top 2 lines, Arnott and Zajac at center and Zubrus and Langenbrunner on the right - the top 2 lines in NJ are set!

Notice who is NOT on the top 2 lines and are thus the guys to be moved out?

Elias and Rolston.

Both will need to be moved due to lack of ice-time on the offensive units and ESPECIALLY due to lack of cap space to keep them.
NJ is set on D and OBVIOUSLY in goal too.

So the forwrad lines are..

Kovalchuk Arnott Langenbrunner
Parise Zajac Zubrus
??? ??? Clarkson
Leblond ??? Zharkov

How about the Leafs help fill in the ??? spots

Grabovski - 2.9
Caputti - .833
Seriously, to make such a proposal where the Devils sacrifice Elias over a 36-year old Langenbrunner and far-less productive Zubrus shows that you are clearly thinking of how such a deal benefits your Leafs and not how it seriously hurts the Devils.

Lamoriello didn't just fall off the back of the truck - if salary dumps are necessary, it seems common sense that he'd consider Rolston and Langenbrunner first, simply because of their ages.

Besides, Zubrus played center for NJ most of the past 2 seasons and Elias saw time at both LW & RW.

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We'd find a buyer for Zubrus if the Devils tried to move him. I don't think he's going anywhere though.

Rolston can score 20 goals, and if packaged with something of value *cough*1st*cough*, someone like the Isles will take him.

Salvador is all but gone, I believe. He's not worthless, either.
I don't see anyone waiving their NTC to go to the Islanders.

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Seriously, to make such a proposal where the Devils sacrifice Elias over a 36-year old Langenbrunner and far-less productive Zubrus shows that you are clearly thinking of how such a deal benefits your Leafs and not how it seriously hurts the Devils.
Actually, he's not even 35 yet, but the point stands.

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I don't see anyone waiving their NTC to go to the Islanders.
Rolston has been quoted as saying that he'll waive if Lou asks.

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Elias is a Devils lifer. No way he's getting traded. Not after they brought in Arnott to play with him.

Rolston, Salvador, Zubrus, and Langenbrunner are the trade candidates. In that order.

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If the 100 M/17 years deal is accurate, the Devil only have to move about 2.4 M in salary to be under the cap.

We could trade Salvador for a mid/late draft pick, or bury White in the minors (NTC) and be under the cap.

Ideally we want to move Rolston, which will be hard despite him still being a somewhat competent player (20 goals, PP/PK specialist). One of White/Salvador should be moved regardless.

We have plenty of rookies to jump in on defense and our 4th line really doesn't matter since our top 9 is absolutely loaded.

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Rolston has been quoted as saying that he'll waive if Lou asks.
He probably meant he will waive if he is asked and the deal works for him.
If he was just going to go to any team out there why go through all the trouble of negotiating a NTC in the first place?
So yes I'm sure if Lou finds a good situation for him he would waive. I really doubt he would waive to go to a horrible team with the worst arena and training facilities in the league.

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