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07-19-2010, 03:59 PM
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yeah, having Kovalchuk for 5.8 is nice
yeah, having Pronger for 4.9 is nice
yeah, you get me...

Kovalchuk will be 44 by the end of his contract.
Pronger 42.

if Pronger retires at 40, it means the Flyers will have their cap cut-off by 4.9M for 2 years, WITHOUT anyone playing for that "capspace".
same for the devils, 5.9M for 4 years.

and, that is provided they make it to 40. they could only stop at 36, in which case it all still counts against the cap, whether they pay it or not.
can you imagine NJ being stuck with a 6M penalty for 8 years?

that's it.

btw, I love Gainey and Gauthier for avoiding that ****.

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Not to say I don't agree with you 100%, but we don't really have anyone that's been signed to any contracts at the moment who deserved something which required that type of structuring. Maybe sometime in the future PG or whoever's in charge will give in and do something like that.

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You are right for Pronger because his contract has been signed when he was 35+ years old. But you're wrong for Kovalchuk... if he decides to retire, the cap hit disappear

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Not to say I don't agree with you 100%, but we don't really have anyone that's been signed to any contracts at the moment who deserved something which required that type of structuring. Maybe sometime in the future PG or whoever's in charge will give in and do something like that.
people whined when we didn't do it with Cammalleri and or Gionta last summer... they thought a 6M cap it was too much considering Hossa's gerontological cap hit is below that. (gerontological in the sense that he's locked till he has no hair, no teeth and is in a wheel chair )

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You are right for Pronger because his contract has been signed when he was 35+ years old. But you're wrong for Kovalchuk... if he decides to retire, the cap hit disappear
if he decides to retire AFTER 35, the rule applies, no?

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no cap hit on Kovalchuk if he retired... even in 10 years.

He will have made 9.5M a year for a 6M cap hit and then big whoops, free of charge for the Devils.

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if he decides to retire AFTER 35, the rule applies, no?
no

that only apply if the player is over 35 when the contract start. With Kovalchuk, he's 27, so it's fine.

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if he decides to retire AFTER 35, the rule applies, no?
I think it goes by when the contract was signed. If Pronger retires his cap hit stays, but for Kovalchuk his cap hit will disappear. That's the problem with these deals, neither of the sides are admitting that retiring before the deal expires is a possibility, but it will probably happen. Those last few years are thrown in to lower the cap, and it's stupid how the NHL approves these stupid contracts. I hope the cap drops to 45M and Chicago, NJ and all of these teams get ****ed. Pardon my frustration.

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This is gaming the system and it's wrong. Why not just sign someone to a front-loaded 35-year contract, since others are already making a mockery of the rules?

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if Pronger retires at 40, it means the Flyers will have their cap cut-off by 4.9M for 2 years, WITHOUT anyone playing for that "capspace".
same for the devils, 5.9M for 4 years.
Not true. Devils will be off the hook. Kovy will retire before he gets paid peanuts. That's the whole idea behind front-loaded contracts from a team's perspective.

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yeah, having Kovalchuk for 5.8 is nice
yeah, having Pronger for 4.9 is nice
yeah, you get me...

Kovalchuk will be 44 by the end of his contract.
Pronger 42.

if Pronger retires at 40, it means the Flyers will have their cap cut-off by 4.9M for 2 years, WITHOUT anyone playing for that "capspace".
same for the devils, 5.9M for 4 years.

and, that is provided they make it to 40. they could only stop at 36, in which case it all still counts against the cap, whether they pay it or not.
can you imagine NJ being stuck with a 6M penalty for 8 years?

that's it.

btw, I love Gainey and Gauthier for avoiding that ****.
Once Kovalchuk retires his cap hit goes away.

Philly, however, will be stuck with pronger.

Montréal is too classy to "cheat"

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I don't mind these deals but the NHL really needs to step in and stop this Kovalchuk one. I mean playing until he's 44? Christ, he isn't Chelios. There should be a cap on the number of years, to a maximum of 40 years old if the contract is 8+ years, or something to that effect.

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Once Kovalchuk retires his cap hit goes away.

Philly, however, will be stuck with pronger.

Montréal is too classy to "cheat"
It's true, Montreal is too classy to "cheat".

I know it drives some members on this board absolutely crazy that Montreal hasn't yet and likely will not get in on this loophole before it gets rectified (and it will).

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I don't mind these deals but the NHL really needs to step in and stop this Kovalchuk one. I mean playing until he's 44? Christ, he isn't Chelios. There should be a cap on the number of years, to a maximum of 40 years old if the contract is 8+ years, or something to that effect.
That would be perfect, actually.

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Once Kovalchuk retires his cap hit goes away.

Philly, however, will be stuck with pronger.

Montréal is too classy to "cheat"
1. The budget the Habs have for salaries is pretty much on par with the cap limit. It would cost a lot of money to Jeffrey Molson to sign that kind of contract, and I doubt he's ready to do that.

2. We have no players of this caliber. This "cheat" only makes sense if you're confident the player will be good for a long time.

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1. The budget the Habs have for salaries is pretty much on par with the cap limit. It would cost a lot of money to Jeffrey Molson to sign that kind of contract, and I doubt he's ready to do that.

2. We have no players of this caliber. This "cheat" only makes sense if you're confident the player will be good for a long time.
Please.

We have one of the most profitable teams in the post-lockout NHL. He already makes money by the wheel barrel from his name sake, never the less.

I'm beginning to question Molson's true dedication to icing the best possible product they can.

Markov is not a defensive equivilant of Kovalchuk? I think we have a player of his caliber right there. Think we'll offer him a 8 year deal to bring him to 40 and maximise our cap value? I doubt it. We'll probably give him a 4-5 year deal with 6.5-7M a season because we are cap-tarded in Montreal.

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yeah, having Kovalchuk for 5.8 is nice
yeah, having Pronger for 4.9 is nice
yeah, you get me...

Kovalchuk will be 44 by the end of his contract.
Pronger 42.

if Pronger retires at 40, it means the Flyers will have their cap cut-off by 4.9M for 2 years, WITHOUT anyone playing for that "capspace".
same for the devils, 5.9M for 4 years.

and, that is provided they make it to 40. they could only stop at 36, in which case it all still counts against the cap, whether they pay it or not.
can you imagine NJ being stuck with a 6M penalty for 8 years?

that's it.

btw, I love Gainey and Gauthier for avoiding that ****.
The same Gainey that made Hammer and Gomez trillionaires? You love that guy?

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The same Gainey that made Hammer and Gomez trillionaires? You love that guy?
Gainey didn't sign Gomez.

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The same Gainey that made Hammer and Gomez trillionaires? You love that guy?
You can't be serious with that sarcasm
emo much?

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emo much?
Uh..? Translation?

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Emo has been associated with a stereotype that includes being particularly emotional, sensitive, shy, introverted, or angst-ridden.
It has also been associated with depression, self-injury, and suicide.

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The bad thing about the contract isn't that its still he is 44, its the fact that they will be forking out 6 million bones for a 35-36-37-38 year old.

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Emo has been associated with a stereotype that includes being particularly emotional, sensitive, shy, introverted, or angst-ridden.
It has also been associated with depression, self-injury, and suicide.
love the definition haha

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Markov is not a defensive equivilant of Kovalchuk? I think we have a player of his caliber right there. Think we'll offer him a 8 year deal to bring him to 40 and maximise our cap value? I doubt it. We'll probably give him a 4-5 year deal with 6.5-7M a season because we are cap-tarded in Montreal.
Except Markov is on one of the most reasonable contracts in the league, and makes less than Kovalchuk does NOW. Your logic in this example is extremely flawed.

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