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Alexander Semin.... CBJ.

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10-21-2014, 03:15 AM
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Alexander Semin.... CBJ.

This has been brought up in the CBJ forums.. seems like a lot of CBJ fans agree that Semin would be a great fit in CBJ (along with many other teams, of course). If the Jackets happen to pursue Semin in the future.. What would a realistic package deal from CBJ to CAR for Semin be?..

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I think a CBJ fan recently proposed Rychel/Erixon/2nd which seems at least close to fair to me...if the Canes do in fact look to move Semin.

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I think a CBJ fan recently proposed Rychel/Erixon/2nd which seems at least close to fair to me...if the Canes do in fact look to move Semin.
Yowza. That's a pretty steep package. I understand Semin has a few ppg seasons under his belt but dang.

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Yowza. That's a pretty steep package. I understand Semin has a few ppg seasons under his belt but dang.
Rychel+Erixon+2nd for a 1st line talent with the kind of possession numbers he has isn't that steep really. I'd do that trade, probably pretty easily too.

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I simply don't see Semin being worth very much right now. They can't sell so low. Let's look at the numbers since his last good, full season (84 pts in 73 games/2009). His half season numbers in '12 looked good, but it was only 44 games.

2010: 54 pts in 65 games (pretty good)
2011: 54 pts in 77 games (meh)
2012: 44 pts in 44 games (good but so few games)
2013: 42 pts in 65 games (awful)
2014: 2 pts so far (not enough games but looks meh)

So out of the last 3+ seasons, he's had one really good half season.

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I simply don't see Semin being worth very much right now. They can't sell so low. Let's look at the numbers since his last good, full season (84 pts in 73 games/2009). His half season numbers in '12 looked good, but it was only 44 games.

2010: 54 pts in 65 games (pretty good)
2011: 54 pts in 77 games (meh)
2012: 44 pts in 44 games (good but so few games)
2013: 42 pts in 65 games (awful)
2014: 2 pts so far (not enough games but looks meh)

So out of the last 3+ seasons, he's had one really good half season.
For Semin, his 2013 season wasn't too good but 42 points in 65 games isn't necesarily defined as 'awful'.

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I simply don't see Semin being worth very much right now. They can't sell so low. Let's look at the numbers since his last good, full season (84 pts in 73 games/2009). His half season numbers in '12 looked good, but it was only 44 games.

2010: 54 pts in 65 games (pretty good)
2011: 54 pts in 77 games (meh)
2012: 44 pts in 44 games (good but so few games)
2013: 42 pts in 65 games (awful)
2014: 2 pts so far (not enough games but looks meh)

So out of the last 3+ seasons, he's had one really good half season.
People love to just look at numbers, but it doesn't always define a player. He was healthy during the shortened season, which is why he had a good year. Compared to last year when he was battling injuries.

Also, Semin's defensive game is extremely underrated. Everyone loves to say that he's a lazy russian, but he's actually a good defensive player. He's well worth the package of Rychel, Erixon and a 2nd. He's worth more actually.

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I'd LOVE for this to happen. One of my top 5 favourite players on one of my favourite teams? Yes please.

People think he's a one dimensional scorer - he's not. He'd bring a great offensive dimension to the BJs and become arguably their top offensive player (yes, over Johansen) and hold his own defensively.

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3rd party fan but the package on the surface seems like a lot but...

2nd is kind of standard, Erixon is underwhelming so far, and Rychel is probably the most valuable piece in the deal, he is litterally the only thing that would make me pause if I was a Cbus fan.

But then you have guys like Dubinsky, Hartnell, and a young Boone Jenner who all play a similar game.

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3rd party fan but the package on the surface seems like a lot but...

2nd is kind of standard, Erixon is underwhelming so far, and Rychel is probably the most valuable piece in the deal, he is litterally the only thing that would make me pause if I was a Cbus fan.

But then you have guys like Dubinsky, Hartnell, and a young Boone Jenner who all play a similar game.
I agree Rychel is expendable and can possibly be moved, but I really dont see Semin as a good fit at all for CBJ. Don't agree with the earlier posts that said he would be. I'm personally not a fan and wouldn't be interested

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I simply don't see Semin being worth very much right now. They can't sell so low. Let's look at the numbers since his last good, full season (84 pts in 73 games/2009). His half season numbers in '12 looked good, but it was only 44 games.

2010: 54 pts in 65 games (pretty good)
2011: 54 pts in 77 games (meh)
54 points in 77 games when you are only getting 16:47 a game is a good season.

Ovechkin was the only Cap to outscore him (65 points) and he was a -8 while Semin was +9.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

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Like others have said, his defensive game is underrated and he's actually one of Carolina's best defensive forwards. Ideally we would have a winger coming back to fill his spot in a trade so I'd like something involving Cam Atkinson.

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Like others have said, his defensive game is underrated and he's actually one of Carolina's best defensive forwards. Ideally we would have a winger coming back to fill his spot in a trade so I'd like something involving Cam Atkinson.
Which would defeat the purpose for Columbus. Need a top 6 winger so trade 1 for an older more expensive one while still needing what was wanted in the first place.

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If we're trading Semin I would much rather trade him outside the Metro. Former Canes always burn us and Semin burned the hell out of us as a Capital.

Last thing we need is a Semin hat trick against us 6x a year.

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For Semin, his 2013 season wasn't too good but 42 points in 65 games isn't necesarily defined as 'awful'.
for 7 million a year it is...

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At least 1 proven winger would have to be coming back, and Boll...because he was born in Charlotte, NC and he's playing in the NHL...cool.

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for 7 million a year it is...
Look up his possession numbers.

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At least 1 proven winger would have to be coming back, and Boll...because he was born in Charlotte, NC and he's playing in the NHL...cool.
Boll is himself a proven winger, so there you go -- Boll for Semin.

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3rd party fan but the package on the surface seems like a lot but...

2nd is kind of standard, Erixon is underwhelming so far, and Rychel is probably the most valuable piece in the deal, he is litterally the only thing that would make me pause if I was a Cbus fan.

But then you have guys like Dubinsky, Hartnell, and a young Boone Jenner who all play a similar game.
From a Semin and (sort of) BJs fan, it seems like an underpayment.

Erixon + 2nd don't hold a ton of value - it's Rychel who's the attractive piece there. Rychel straight up would get a good laugh from Carolina. That package MIGHT garner some interest, but I think it's an underpayment for a player like Semin.

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I simply don't see Semin being worth very much right now. They can't sell so low. Let's look at the numbers since his last good, full season (84 pts in 73 games/2009). His half season numbers in '12 looked good, but it was only 44 games.

2010: 54 pts in 65 games (pretty good)
2011: 54 pts in 77 games (meh)
2012: 44 pts in 44 games (good but so few games)
2013: 42 pts in 65 games (awful)
2014: 2 pts so far (not enough games but looks meh)

So out of the last 3+ seasons, he's had one really good half season.
42 points in 65 games with a concussion and a wrist that required surgery was awful?

Semin in Columbus would be like Gaborik in LA last year. Perfect fit. Would mesh with both RyJo and Anisimov, is a great possession player/good defensively and along the boards, and an absolutely lethal wrist shot the team lacks with Horton out.

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If we're trading Semin I would much rather trade him outside the Metro. Former Canes always burn us and Semin burned the hell out of us as a Capital.

Last thing we need is a Semin hat trick against us 6x a year.
This. Trade him to the Western Conference please.

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Assuming this is done near the deadline, maybe Columbus could dump Horton on Carolina. If he rebounds he'd be a good player for the Canes, they have luck with reclamation projects, and Columbus could add some extra value to get out from under his contract.

Horton, Rychel/Dano/Milano, Erixon, Boll, 1st for Semin, some other rental

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Rychel, Erixson, 2nd is as far as I'd go I think. Not a bad offer imo, but don't really think Canes would take it

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Assuming this is done near the deadline, maybe Columbus could dump Horton on Carolina. If he rebounds he'd be a good player for the Canes, they have luck with reclamation projects, and Columbus could add some extra value to get out from under his contract.

Horton, Rychel/Dano/Milano, Erixon, Boll, 1st for Semin, some other rental
Conceptually I can see how this makes sense but it was a big deal about Horton's family and wanting to live here when he signed. Not to suggest you can't enjoy qualities of life in NC, but that I'd think the CBJ brass would want to treat Horton the person with some respect in the matter, rather than just send him on his way with hopes for the best.

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Assuming this is done near the deadline, maybe Columbus could dump Horton on Carolina. If he rebounds he'd be a good player for the Canes, they have luck with reclamation projects, and Columbus could add some extra value to get out from under his contract.

Horton, Rychel/Dano/Milano, Erixon, Boll, 1st for Semin, some other rental
Regardless of if Horton doesn't play in a week, month, or months.. he still holds at least some value. Throwing in a first round pick in that package plus one of Rychel, Dano, Milano AND Boll (who holds little value)... that's pretty absurd if you ask me.

Ps: naming off our firsts in the last two years, looks like your not a fan of Wennberg? Lol

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