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01-15-2016, 03:52 AM
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New York Rangers - Tampa Bay Lightning



Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Drouin
2016 4th Round Pick



Rick Nash
Kevin Hayes or Oscar Lindberg
Dylan McIlrath
2016 or 2017 1st Round Pick
2016 2nd Round Pick

Thoughts?

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01-15-2016, 07:28 AM
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That is something else alright...


Unless Stamkos has an extension in place than I don't see why NYR would pay this much, unless Nash is a UFA

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Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Drouin
2016 4th Round Pick



Rick Nash
Kevin Hayes or Oscar Lindberg
Dylan McIlrath
2016 or 2017 1st Round Pick
2016 2nd Round Pick

Thoughts?
Close but I think a second 1st (with signed Stamkos) would needed.

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And I don't think the NYRs have a first in 16

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They have if they miss playoffs.

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The main thing would be a signed stamkos and if he's signed then why would Tampa trade him.

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The main thing would be a signed stamkos and if he's signed then why would Tampa trade him.
I think the idea here was he'd be willing to sign in NY but not with Tampa.

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01-15-2016, 10:56 AM
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Just an FYI for the first round pick ARI gets in the Yandle trade. It is up to the NYR if it is a 2016 or 2017. It is not lottery protected. They have a deadline sometime before the 2016 draft, I forgot the date. So this trade is a doable trade, not saying how fair but it is something the NYR can do.

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And I don't think the NYRs have a first in 16
They can choose which year they give to Arizona. 16 or 17

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Trading with or having ex players go there seems like it has been loopsided win for TB. That all changes if NYRs right their ship and win it all, but many of the Ranger faithful have this season in their rear view window. They still have time and nothing would surprise me, but they don't look the same as past two years. Mainly because they have played a lot of hockey well past many teams.

The OP has a lot offered and I just don't see anything like that happening, but ya never know

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01-15-2016, 01:20 PM
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Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Drouin
2016 4th Round Pick



Rick Nash
Kevin Hayes or Oscar Lindberg
Dylan McIlrath
2016 or 2017 1st Round Pick
2016 2nd Round Pick

Thoughts?
It's a good faith efort, but no, it misses the mark because:
Rangers MUST not deal its youngest core.
We can deal guys vets the right side of 30 who have nice deals.
We can even do that with risk of Stamkos not extending.

however, we need to surrender less and receive more. I would rather move Fs who are more replaceable.

Just enough time to say this quickly now, embellish on my own post of it later:
Stepan (has NMC after next year if remaining w/Rangers, so this defeats that)
Brass (waives to be w/Zuc)
Zuc (waives cause next year no clause but TB is a good relocation w/Brass, + vets will be moved to cover more cost controlled youth)
also Klein like 2.9 multiyear
and Staal, 5.7 reduced to 3.1 multiyear

all this is like 22? if memory serves

for
Stamkos
Hedman
Drouin
Brian Boyle
Carlye or some other cap dump they wanted to move

5 for 5 and cap dif is within 2!
{yes they don't wanna move Hedman, but after next year he is also a min of 7 + on a new deal!) It is the price they have to pay for Stamkos with no guarantees.

---------
Then move Yandle + 2 Ranger 2nds
to Boston for Bruins 2016 1st + Jimmy Hayes

-----
Giirardi to sit, often LTIR, until contract ended/he retires/expansion draft

Postma inexpensive from Jets

Wait upon Shattenkirk after next year
Try for a good RD


Miller Stamkos Nash
Kreider Hayes Hayes
Drouin Lindberg Fast
B. Boyle* - Moore - Stalberg
* replaced by Buchnevich
Glass = contingency reserve

Hedman stop gap/D. Boyle
McD McI
Skjei D. Boyle


this is a bit more like it

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It's a good faith efort, but no, it misses the mark because:
Rangers MUST not deal its youngest core.
We can deal guys vets the right side of 30 who have nice deals.
We can even do that with risk of Stamkos not extending.

however, we need to surrender less and receive more. I would rather move Fs who are more replaceable.

Just enough time to say this quickly now, embellish on my own post of it later:
Stepan (has NMC after next year if remaining w/Rangers, so this defeats that)
Brass (waives to be w/Zuc)
Zuc (waives cause next year no clause but TB is a good relocation w/Brass, + vets will be moved to cover more cost controlled youth)
also Klein like 2.9 multiyear
and Staal, 5.7 reduced to 3.1 multiyear

all this is like 22? if memory serves

for
Stamkos
Hedman
Drouin
Brian Boyle
Carlye or some other cap dump they wanted to move

5 for 5 and cap dif is within 2!
{yes they don't wanna move Hedman, but after next year he is also a min of 7 + on a new deal!) It is the price they have to pay for Stamkos with no guarantees.

---------
Then move Yandle + 2 Ranger 2nds
to Boston for Bruins 2016 1st + Jimmy Hayes

-----
Giirardi to sit, often LTIR, until contract ended/he retires/expansion draft

Postma inexpensive from Jets

Wait upon Shattenkirk after next year
Try for a good RD


Miller Stamkos Nash
Kreider Hayes Hayes
Drouin Lindberg Fast
B. Boyle* - Moore - Stalberg
* replaced by Buchnevich
Glass = contingency reserve

Hedman stop gap/D. Boyle
McD McI
Skjei D. Boyle


this is a bit more like it


I....Can't....wait....for this to become epic

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01-15-2016, 01:32 PM
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for
Stamkos
Hedman
Drouin
Brian Boyle
Carlye or some other cap dump they wanted to move
And *click*

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01-15-2016, 01:34 PM
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Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Drouin
2016 4th Round Pick



Rick Nash
Kevin Hayes or Oscar Lindberg
Dylan McIlrath
2016 or 2017 1st Round Pick
2016 2nd Round Pick

Thoughts?
Eh, we can do better than that if we're packaging both players.

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Trade one under performing 7.8M cap hit player for a under performing 10-11M cap hit player?

And give up a bunch of picks and RFAs so they have almost no cheap cost controlled contracts coming up other than Drouin who is already 2/3rd through his entry level.

While retaining Staal, Girardi and Lundqvist and their cap hits.

With the cap likely to stagnant.

I could see the Rangers doing something like that, and unfortunately that's not sarcasm.

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01-15-2016, 02:02 PM
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And *click*
LOL, I stopped reading at Stamkos. lol

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01-15-2016, 02:06 PM
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This is such a Ranger trade it's unbelievable...and bad for the team.

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01-15-2016, 02:09 PM
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for
Stamkos
Hedman
Drouin
Brian Boyle
Carlye or some other cap dump they wanted to move
Ignoring the rest of it, maybe the NYR should have re-signed Boyle if they wanted him

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01-15-2016, 02:14 PM
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It's a good faith efort, but no, it misses the mark because:
Rangers MUST not deal its youngest core.
We can deal guys vets the right side of 30 who have nice deals.
We can even do that with risk of Stamkos not extending.

however, we need to surrender less and receive more. I would rather move Fs who are more replaceable.

Just enough time to say this quickly now, embellish on my own post of it later:
Stepan (has NMC after next year if remaining w/Rangers, so this defeats that)
Brass (waives to be w/Zuc)
Zuc (waives cause next year no clause but TB is a good relocation w/Brass, + vets will be moved to cover more cost controlled youth)
also Klein like 2.9 multiyear
and Staal, 5.7 reduced to 3.1 multiyear

all this is like 22? if memory serves

for
Stamkos
Hedman
Drouin
Brian Boyle
Carlye or some other cap dump they wanted to move

5 for 5 and cap dif is within 2!
{yes they don't wanna move Hedman, but after next year he is also a min of 7 + on a new deal!) It is the price they have to pay for Stamkos with no guarantees.

---------
Then move Yandle + 2 Ranger 2nds
to Boston for Bruins 2016 1st + Jimmy Hayes

-----
Giirardi to sit, often LTIR, until contract ended/he retires/expansion draft

Postma inexpensive from Jets

Wait upon Shattenkirk after next year
Try for a good RD


Miller Stamkos Nash
Kreider Hayes Hayes
Drouin Lindberg Fast
B. Boyle* - Moore - Stalberg
* replaced by Buchnevich
Glass = contingency reserve

Hedman stop gap/D. Boyle
McD McI
Skjei D. Boyle


this is a bit more like it
WHAT THE ***?

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WHAT THE ***?
Ignore it. There's outrageous posts like this almost constantly and they'd never happen

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It's a good faith efort, but no, it misses the mark because:
Rangers MUST not deal its youngest core.
We can deal guys vets the right side of 30 who have nice deals.
We can even do that with risk of Stamkos not extending.

however, we need to surrender less and receive more. I would rather move Fs who are more replaceable.

Just enough time to say this quickly now, embellish on my own post of it later:
Stepan (has NMC after next year if remaining w/Rangers, so this defeats that)
Brass (waives to be w/Zuc)
Zuc (waives cause next year no clause but TB is a good relocation w/Brass, + vets will be moved to cover more cost controlled youth)
also Klein like 2.9 multiyear
and Staal, 5.7 reduced to 3.1 multiyear

all this is like 22? if memory serves

for
Stamkos
Hedman
Drouin
Brian Boyle
Carlye or some other cap dump they wanted to move

5 for 5 and cap dif is within 2!
{yes they don't wanna move Hedman, but after next year he is also a min of 7 + on a new deal!) It is the price they have to pay for Stamkos with no guarantees.

---------
Then move Yandle + 2 Ranger 2nds
to Boston for Bruins 2016 1st + Jimmy Hayes

-----
Giirardi to sit, often LTIR, until contract ended/he retires/expansion draft

Postma inexpensive from Jets

Wait upon Shattenkirk after next year
Try for a good RD


Miller Stamkos Nash
Kreider Hayes Hayes
Drouin Lindberg Fast
B. Boyle* - Moore - Stalberg
* replaced by Buchnevich
Glass = contingency reserve

Hedman stop gap/D. Boyle
McD McI
Skjei D. Boyle


this is a bit more like it
Just stop it. You have absolutely no concept of fair value.

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Steven Stamkos
Jonathan Drouin
2016 4th Round Pick



Rick Nash
Kevin Hayes or Oscar Lindberg
Dylan McIlrath
2016 or 2017 1st Round Pick
2016 2nd Round Pick

Thoughts?
As a Ranger fan this would normally be a no brainer. However, you also have to think about the future. I would rather do Nash, Jesper Fast, Sergey Zborovskiy, dom moore, a 2nd, and if possible dan girardi/marc staal for stamkos, drouin, 4th, and matt carle to make is even

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I....Can't....wait....for this to become epic
Bernmeister always thinks he can package a bunch of B and C rate players and get a slew of superstars and franchise players in return

Its quite comical

Here, take a top 6 winger, two 2Cs and some other trash...

and we will take your current stud players and prospects taken #1, #2, and #3 overall.

One being a 50+ goal scorer, one being a stud #1 dman, and another being a patrick kane type dynamic potential winger


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As a Ranger fan this would normally be a no brainer. However, you also have to think about the future. I would rather do Nash, Jesper Fast, Sergey Zborovskiy, dom moore, a 2nd, and if possible dan girardi/marc staal for stamkos, drouin, 4th, and matt carle to make is even
That and Nash is a rapidly diminishing return, if he needs to be packaged in a large blockbuster trade to return some key pieces, it needs to happen for NYR, because down the line, straight up, NYR might be handcuffed on who they can trade with and what they can get in return for him

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Just enough time to say this quickly now, embellish on my own post of it later:
Stepan (has NMC after next year if remaining w/Rangers, so this defeats that)
Brass (waives to be w/Zuc)
Zuc (waives cause next year no clause but TB is a good relocation w/Brass, + vets will be moved to cover more cost controlled youth)
also Klein like 2.9 multiyear
and Staal, 5.7 reduced to 3.1 multiyear

all this is like 22? if memory serves

for
Stamkos
Hedman
Drouin
Brian Boyle
Put down NHL 16---this will never happen Rangers are getting the top 3 players.


Stamkos for Stepan + 1st is a starting point

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