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BOS/COL: Duchene

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01-25-2017, 02:17 PM
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BOS/COL: Duchene

Brandon Carlo & Danton Heinen for Matt Duchene.

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01-25-2017, 02:20 PM
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Just doesn't seem to be enough. Carlo is nowhere near proven enough to be enough, and Heinen is more or less the same: good potential, not proven. You need to add something significant.

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01-25-2017, 02:24 PM
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Brandon Carlo & Danton Heinen for Matt Duchene.
Still don't want to trade Carlo.

Also, this would have to be a secondary trade after trading away a F for a D.

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01-25-2017, 02:26 PM
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I wouldn't want to buy high on Carlo. The deal for Duchene or Landeskog needs to be around McAvoy.

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I wouldn't want to buy high on Carlo. The deal for Duchene or Landeskog needs to be around McAvoy.
I agree but it sounds like sakic doesn't here


That said I don't think Heinen is enough of a plus

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I would do Carlo + Heinen + Subban + one of Czarnik, Cehlarik, Donato or Fitzgerald for Duchene, provided the Bruins could get Krejci to waive his NMC for someone like a Trouba type player or a signed Shattenkirk. I think Sakic really likes Carlo and he is their target, could still be Zboril too, but I think the Colorado native Carlo and Heinen who played NCAA in Denver would be big draws for the avs, throw in a decent goalie prospect still and another young guy like a Czarnik.

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01-25-2017, 02:56 PM
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We have Wiercoich and Colborne who played for DU, nobody cares about the hometown kids angle. Duchene is a huge fan favorite, unless they are bringing in a name even the casual fans know then it will be a net loss from the fan perspective.

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01-25-2017, 03:29 PM
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Colorado can do better. I'm not saying there isn't any value in the proposal... just not enough to justify shipping Duchene out.

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Not interested in the slightest.

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Why has no one suggested McAvoy and Carlo for Duchene? Both teams get what they want. Also, McAvoy and Carlo for Landeskog+ would potentially work.

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Duchene is a huge fan favorite, unless they are bringing in a name even the casual fans know then it will be a net loss from the fan perspective.
Chara + Heinen



to the OP- not enough. what about McAvoy + 2018 1st + ?

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Why has no one suggested McAvoy and Carlo for Duchene? Both teams get what they want. Also, McAvoy and Carlo for Landeskog+ would potentially work.
Because the Bruins Blueline is terrible and their #1 is knocking on retirement...so shipping out their top two defensive prospects for a forward would be incredibly foolish

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If we are talking Duchene the only name that interests me is McAvoy. If it's Landeskog then I'd be thinking Carlo.

It's not the worst proposal I've seen for Duchene, just feel like he has better value than the main piece being Carlo.

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McAvoy with a significant plus, that's what Duchene or Landeskog would cost the Bruins.

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Why has no one suggested McAvoy and Carlo for Duchene? Both teams get what they want. Also, McAvoy and Carlo for Landeskog+ would potentially work.
Not the Bruins. We have been trying to fix the defense by all means and trading the two best young promising D is EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of "what we want".

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Chara + Heinen


to the OP- not enough. what about McAvoy + 2018 1st + ?
That would be too rich for my blood. I'd swap Heinen with the 1st if you thought that meant more value. Personally, I would rather keep Heinen than the 1st.

McAvoy... That's tough for me. Obviously he's a high-profile prospect but honestly, if he could come in next year and do what Carlo did this year I'd consider that a huge win. Carlo's playing against top lines at 19, he kills penalties, he leads all D not named Chara in ES TOI, he's one of only 2 defensemen (Krug is the other) that they're willing to play in 3on3 OT...

I actually expected more Bruins fans to come in here and say they wouldn't do the deal, that Carlo was too important to the Bruins rebuild.

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01-25-2017, 04:15 PM
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That would be too rich for my blood. I'd swap Heinen with the 1st if you thought that meant more value. Personally, I would rather keep Heinen than the 1st.

McAvoy... That's tough for me. Obviously he's a high-profile prospect but honestly, if he could come in next year and do what Carlo did this year I'd consider that a huge win. Carlo's playing against top lines at 19, he kills penalties, he leads all D not named Chara in ES TOI, he's one of only 2 defensemen (Krug is the other) that they're willing to play in 3on3 OT...

I actually expected more Bruins fans to come in here and say they wouldn't do the deal, that Carlo was too important to the Bruins rebuild.
Count me in. Carlo and/or McAvoy = immediate no go from this Bruins fan.

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01-25-2017, 04:20 PM
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For comparison,

A Landeskog for Carlo trade would be close, even though as an Avs fan I would not move him for Brandon. On the other hand, Duchene's starting price is McAvoy and NOTHING less.

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McAvoy with a significant plus, that's what Duchene or Landeskog would cost the Bruins.
It will be interesting to see what these guys actually go for if they're eventually dealt.

Larsson got Taylor Hall.

I would rather Carlo than Larsson. Carlo already plays more minutes than Larsson overall, at ES, on the PK, all Carlo. He's 4 years younger and has 2 years left on his ELC. I think most considered that EDM/NJ deal a bad one at the time so maybe it's not a great measuring stick, but when you look at other recent deals for all-star caliber forwards, that one is probably one of the better ones.

Either way, I don't think either fan base will be disappointed at having to keep Carlo/Duchene if the teams can't reach an agreement.

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It will be interesting to see what these guys actually go for if they're eventually dealt.

Larsson got Taylor Hall.

I would rather Carlo than Larsson. Carlo already plays more minutes than Larsson overall, at ES, on the PK, all Carlo. He's 4 years younger and has 2 years left on his ELC. I think most considered that EDM/NJ deal a bad one at the time so maybe it's not a great measuring stick, but when you look at other recent deals for all-star caliber forwards, that one is probably one of the better ones.

Either way, I don't think either fan base will be disappointed at having to keep Carlo/Duchene if the teams can't reach an agreement.
How so? RyJo was traded for a much stronger return even though he to was 2.5 years away from being able to reach UFA, ROR was traded for a much stronger return even though he was just 1 year away from being able to reach UFA, so how is the Hall trade a better measuring stick? Especially when that's the only one that involves a winger instead of a center.

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Larsson is a lot more proven. There a lot of young D who have had a good 6 months. The Avs are conservative in development, they aren't going to play a 20 year old in that role.

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It will be interesting to see what these guys actually go for if they're eventually dealt.

Larsson got Taylor Hall.
With all due respect, this trade doesn't matter to us. Oilers had to eventually move somebody and decided to overpay for Larsson. Avs can keep all their players and suck next year to draft Dahlin, Wilde, or McIsaac. We don't really need to move Duchene or Landeskog except for an offer that helps our team.

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How so? RyJo was traded for a much stronger return even though he to was 2.5 years away from being able to reach UFA, ROR was traded for a much stronger return even though he was just 1 year away from being able to reach UFA, so how is the Hall trade a better measuring stick? Especially when that's the only one that involves a winger instead of a center.
Fair points. I was thinking about the Seguin and Kessel deals.

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Brandon Carlo & Danton Heinen for Matt Duchene.
Considering it has been reported that Duchene will cost more than Gabe and the Avs ask of Bos when they called on him was Carlo, Debrusk, 1st and Miller I think its safe to say that will not be enough

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Count me in the camp of McAvoy/Carlo hsa non-starters. I like Landeskog, but not enough to give up either of our two young RHD.

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