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07-22-2010, 04:01 AM
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Mason Raymond

I was bored and started thinking about how Raymond would fit pretty well with in the Sens current roster, run and gun style....

So yeh, I was wondering what would make you consider trading Raymond.

Edit: And please no EK trading, I know you have to trade good players for good players, but we have other people with value too...

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07-22-2010, 04:08 AM
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Top line player on ELC who has established credentials for scoring goals playing sound two way hockeu while maintaining some of the best wheels in the NHL.
Plus a 1st round Pick

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It would take something like Karlsson. Minimum.

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whats EK trading?

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The possibility of the Canucks trading Raymond disappeared with the departure of Grabner.

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I was bored and started thinking about how Raymond would fit pretty well with in the Sens current roster, run and gun style....

So yeh, I was wondering what would make you consider trading Raymond.

Edit: And please no EK trading, I know you have to trade good players for good players, but we have other people with value too...
Considering the 'nucks are in a win now mode, there really isn't anyone on the Sens roster that allows the 'nucks to replace Raymond without altering the core of the team (i.e. no one who makes < 3mil on the Sens that can replace Raymond as a top 6 forward on the 'nucks).

You will basically need to bring in a 3rd team with a top 6 forward that the 'nucks are looking for or wait till training camp and see if one of the 'nucks prospect are so impressive that the 'nucks have the luxury of trading Raymond (which we don't right now).

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07-22-2010, 04:13 AM
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Canuck's wont move Raymond...

But for arguement... Cowen + a 3rd round pick.

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The possibility of the Canucks trading Raymond disappeared with the departure of Grabner.
For now. Schroeder could steal that spot in a couple of years, hell maybe even Shirokov.

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For now. Schroeder could steal that spot in a couple of years, hell maybe even Shirokov.
I meant for this upcoming season. Obviously if one of the young guns impresses enough to steal a spot in the top 6 he can become expendable. Until then, it would be foolish for the Canucks to move him.

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07-22-2010, 08:32 AM
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Peter Regin and one of Karlsson or Cowen and I'd think seriously about it.

Or Regin, Weircioch and a 1st.

(And I know Sens fans probably have no interest in either of those.)

The fact of the matter is that Raymond is in all likelihood going to be making under $3m and there is no way to replace what he brings on the market.

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07-22-2010, 08:56 AM
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Peter Regin and one of Karlsson or Cowen and I'd think seriously about it.

Or Regin, Weircioch and a 1st.

(And I know Sens fans probably have no interest in either of those.)

The fact of the matter is that Raymond is in all likelihood going to be making under $3m and there is no way to replace what he brings on the market.
In my opinion those are both tempting, but they really don't help us at all. Who the heck will we get to play 2nd line LW and score 25+ goals for under 3mil a year? Players like that don't just grow on trees... If we were to trade Raymond for picks or high end prospects it would have been at the draft so that we could target a free agent, we won't trade him when there are none left.

So ya, unless were getting a tougher top 6 LW back who is an upgrade over Raymond then he isn't available.

Bieksa
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Michalek

That's about as best as I can do, even tho I doubt Ottawa likes it one bit.

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07-22-2010, 09:05 AM
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In my opinion those are both tempting, but they really don't help us at all. Who the heck will we get to play 2nd line LW and score 25+ goals for under 3mil a year? Players like that don't just grow on trees... If we were to trade Raymond for picks or high end prospects it would have been at the draft so that we could target a free agent, we won't trade him when there are none left.

So ya, unless were getting a tougher top 6 LW back who is an upgrade over Raymond then he isn't available.

Bieksa
Raymond

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Michalek

That's about as best as I can do, even tho I doubt Ottawa likes it one bit.
OTT should seriously think about that one, value is there I think. I'd be suprised if VAN was though even with the Bieksa dump.

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I'd give probably a prospect plus a 1st round draft pick. How bout:
-Zack Smith
-Filip Kuba
-1st Round Draft pick

for:

-Kevin Bieksa
-Mason Raymond

Probably not that fair but I'd be willing to give up Runblad.

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07-22-2010, 10:47 AM
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I'd give probably a prospect plus a 1st round draft pick. How bout:
-Zack Smith
-Filip Kuba
-1st Round Draft pick

for:

-Kevin Bieksa
-Mason Raymond

Probably not that fair but I'd be willing to give up Runblad.
That doesn't really address the fact Canucks seem to be in win now mode and would be losing their 2nd line left winger who put up can put up 25+ goals and play defensively as well.

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It would take something like Karlsson. Minimum.
I lol'd.

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07-22-2010, 10:57 AM
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In my opinion those are both tempting, but they really don't help us at all. Who the heck will we get to play 2nd line LW and score 25+ goals for under 3mil a year? Players like that don't just grow on trees... If we were to trade Raymond for picks or high end prospects it would have been at the draft so that we could target a free agent, we won't trade him when there are none left.
Well, IMO the Canucks wouldn't be done making moves.

We'd still need to trade Bieksa and could look to add something to get a top six winger back. Say we add something and get Ryane Clowe or something like that?

Anyway we'd be a much deeper team:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
_____-Kesler-Samuelsson
Regin-Malhotra-Hansen
etc

And with a new top defense prospect on top of it.

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So ya, unless were getting a tougher top 6 LW back who is an upgrade over Raymond then he isn't available.

Bieksa
Raymond

for

Michalek

That's about as best as I can do, even tho I doubt Ottawa likes it one bit.
I don't think I'd take Michalek for Raymond straight up at this point. The knee injuries are a concern and I don't have any reason to believe Raymond won't outscore Michalek going forward - obviously MM is a better defensive player but we already have two elite defensive forwards.

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I lol'd.
You can 'lol' all you want. Fact is...it would take a severe overpayment to get Raymond.

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You can 'lol' all you want. Fact is...it would take a severe overpayment to get Raymond.
For sure it would, hes a young goal scoring winger with speed, however, Karlsson is a whole different level of potential, IMO.

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good second line player on most team.

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I haven't seen one single proposal here to justify. Trading Mason Raymond.
Honestly the one person I might trade Raymond is James Neal,
Considering Dallas is in the same position as us with these players, I'd rather stick with the devil I know.

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Well, IMO the Canucks wouldn't be done making moves.

We'd still need to trade Bieksa and could look to add something to get a top six winger back. Say we add something and get Ryane Clowe or something like that?

Anyway we'd be a much deeper team:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
_____-Kesler-Samuelsson
Regin-Malhotra-Hansen
etc

And with a new top defense prospect on top of it.



I don't think I'd take Michalek for Raymond straight up at this point. The knee injuries are a concern and I don't have any reason to believe Raymond won't outscore Michalek going forward - obviously MM is a better defensive player but we already have two elite defensive forwards.
It may be hard for us to trade Bieksa for a top 6 forward since teams know were somewhat desperate. In all reality, I don't even think there are to many top 6 LW's availablle.

The only reason I'd consider a Michalek for Raymond, Bieksa swap is because Michalek is such a big player who brings a defensive aspect to his game. I'm not overly concerned about his injury issues, last season is the only season he missed significant time.

I do agree it's a tad lopsided... Maybe Regin, Michalek for Bieksa, Raymond, and a mid tier prospect or 3rd round pick.

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Peter Regin and one of Karlsson or Cowen and I'd think seriously about it.

Or Regin, Weircioch and a 1st.

(And I know Sens fans probably have no interest in either of those.)

The fact of the matter is that Raymond is in all likelihood going to be making under $3m and there is no way to replace what he brings on the market.
I know it's what you want, but you'd never get that much for Raymond. And no way Mason Raymond gets under 3 mil after arbitration assuming he gets the same arbitrator as MacArthur.

Take off Weircioch and you have yourself a nice package. Regin's a good 2 way player, marginally younger and if the playoffs this year were any indication, he's a big game player.

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I know it's what you want, but you'd never get that much for Raymond.
Indeed, that is pretty much what I said in my first post in this thread. Which is why Raymond will be a Canuck come training camp.

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And no way Mason Raymond gets under 3 mil after arbitration assuming he gets the same arbitrator as MacArthur.
1/8 odds he does that. And even then I have more confidence in Mike Gillis and Laurence Gilman than in Rick Dudley.

That and the Blues just did us a big favour yesterday by signing a more prolific scorer with a more significant role on their team to a two year deal averaging $2.15m.

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I lol'd.

Thats because you're on hf boards and you think potential is worth more than proven

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I know it's what you want, but you'd never get that much for Raymond. And no way Mason Raymond gets under 3 mil after arbitration assuming he gets the same arbitrator as MacArthur.
Do you realize that if the arbitrator used the word MacArthur in his argument he would be immediately fired? Sure MacArthur got overrated but the arbitrator can not use players at similar salaries(or skill levels) as comparisons.

Plus. . . you don't think maybe he learned his lesson when Atlanta turned down the arbitration offer.

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