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If Gretzky Remains An Oiler, Do They Win The Cup In 1989?

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07-24-2010, 10:23 AM
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I believe they would have won in 89, if they had managed to keep Gretzky. They lost Coffey and won two more times. They lost Gretzky and won once more.

They lost in 86 because, because they beat themselves. Injuries would have been the only roadblock and maybe Steve Smith.

As it stands the Oilers won 5, I have to believe if they kept the team together the would have won at least 7 in total.
I think so too - maybe even 8. At that time, the balance of power in the West was far more lopsided where the Oilers really only had the Flames and Blackhawks as serious challengers to overcome. The East was more of a dogfight from year to year for teams before Pittsburgh rose up.

The one x-factor though is what the Oilers' ownership situation would have been. Pocklington was bleeding money anyway so even if Gretzky hadn't been traded, who knows if the team would have been instead forced to deal Messier, Kurri, Fuhr or Anderson sooner than they did.

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So was the Oilers team in '88-'89 had they kept Gretzky: Fuhr won the Vezina in '88 and '89 (minus Gretzky);
No he didn't.

Fuhr won one Vezina. In 87/88.

With Gretzky.

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Coming off back-to-back Cups, who knows if a Gretzky-led team - even with more talent and experience than Calgary or any other foe - would have maintained the hunger and drive to win a 3rd straight.
Oh, there's no doubt that they would have been just as driven. Gretzky would simply not settle for being anything less than the best, and that rubbed off on everybody he played with, ask Mario Lemieux. And he took it to the extreme, Gretzky wanted to shatter records and he wanted to win as many Cups as possible, and he said he would have won many more if he stayed with them.

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The Flames and Oilers would have been the top two teams in the NHL by a wide margin.
The Montreal Canadiens were really good in 1988-89 as well. Only 2 points behind Calgary, and Patrick Roy was undefeated on Forum ice until the playoffs. Assuming Edmonton made it past Calgary, they still would have had to compete against an extremely tough defensive team in the Finals in Montreal. Calgary managed to hold the Canadiens to just 2 goals in each of their losses, but if Edmonton could not do the same, there is no given that Montreal does not win another Stanley Cup.

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Oh, there's no doubt that they would have been just as driven. Gretzky would simply not settle for being anything less than the best, and that rubbed off on everybody he played with, ask Mario Lemieux. And he took it to the extreme, Gretzky wanted to shatter records and he wanted to win as many Cups as possible, and he said he would have won many more if he stayed with them.
You're right, Wayne Gretzky doesn't get nearly as much credit as he should for how hard he worked.

Part of his success must have been god given.. his abilities of perception in hockey were off the charts.

Part of his success was his approach to the game thanks to Walter: "go where the puck is going to be".

I still think the biggest part of his success is just that he practiced and drilled himself to improve himself all the time. He was extremely driven.

He worked hard to reach the top given the physical abilities he had available to him. And then once he got there he start working on beating himself and being #1 again - even if the only one he had to best was himself.

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The Oilers only had problems with Calgary when Badger Bob Johnson was behind the Flames bench. Terry Crisp was no match for Sather/Muckler. Oilers win again in '89!

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You're right, Wayne Gretzky doesn't get nearly as much credit as he should for how hard he worked.

Part of his success must have been god given.. his abilities of perception in hockey were off the charts.

Part of his success was his approach to the game thanks to Walter: "go where the puck is going to be".

I still think the biggest part of his success is just that he practiced and drilled himself to improve himself all the time. He was extremely driven.

He worked hard to reach the top given the physical abilities he had available to him. And then once he got there he start working on beating himself and being #1 again - even if the only one he had to best was himself.
That's what seperates him from Mario. Gretzky in the 1980's, on everyshift always went out there to try to accomplish the impossible. That goes a long way and can take precedence over pure ability in certain cases.

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The Oilers only had problems with Calgary when Badger Bob Johnson was behind the Flames bench. Terry Crisp was no match for Sather/Muckler. Oilers win again in '89!
Johnson was great. But in '88, the Oilers swept, but every game was decided by one or two goals. They key victroy being game two when Calgary was up to goals and Edmonton managed to tie it to bring into ot. The Flames had the power play but Gretzky snuck behind a Flames defender when they dumped it in and Jari Kurri (he was something special on both sides of the puck) found a streaking Gretzky who blistered a slapshot over Vernon's glove hand to put the Flames in a huge hole.

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