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05-04-2012, 11:36 AM
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You should watch the WHC and make up your own opinion, since this is probably the best chance you and the GMs will get to see him against other NHL-caliber players. So far, to me, he's looked decent. Really safe, not flashy, a couple hiccups but they seem confident to use him out there. That's always a good sign.

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05-04-2012, 11:39 AM
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You should watch the WHC and make up your own opinion, since this is probably the best chance you and the GMs will get to see him against other NHL-caliber players. So far, to me, he's looked decent. Really safe, not flashy, a couple hiccups but they seem confident to use him out there. That's always a good sign.
I have my own opinion, I asked for other opinions in order to ascertain whether or not my opinion is held by the majority or not.

edit: and I did watch the game today.

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05-04-2012, 11:46 AM
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So after watching him, what do you think? Top 5?

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05-04-2012, 11:56 AM
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Hockey IQ is definitely questionable for Dumba. Great skill and talent, but a lot of questionable decisions on the ice. Murray is an incredibly mature and well-rounded player who understands the game and plays an even-keeled, efficient brand of hockey.

Age old argument: proven commodity versus unproven potential. In this case, I'll go with Murray. Talk about a safe pick. You know exactly what you're getting with him.
Sometimes thats a bad thing, because you know what you are getting is total crap.

But with Murray, what you're getting is a #2-3 guy but still has potential to kick himself into a #1 defenseman. Talk about no risk/high reward

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05-04-2012, 11:57 AM
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Murray was OK from what I saw, steady and nothing flashy.

Slovakia had 1 NHL forward in their lineup (Kopecky) and he's a checker, so it wasn't that great of a litmus test.

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05-04-2012, 12:14 PM
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Murray was OK from what I saw, steady and nothing flashy.

Slovakia had 1 NHL forward in their lineup (Kopecky) and he's a checker, so it wasn't that great of a litmus test.
Murray is probably already more polished in his own zone than a few of the Canadian defensman who are NHL veterans...Im looking at you Luke Schenn.

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05-04-2012, 12:20 PM
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Looking for opinions here- my team is the Leafs so obviously I'm interested in who they're gonna draft. With Murray's exposure at the WHC...is it now almost guaranteed the Leafs will be selecting one of the top 4 forwards if they stay at five? I.e. Is Murray gone before #5?
Its just my opinion but Murray will not be there at #5.

If no one swaps picks, he goes to CBJ or the NYI, and with MTL you never really know what Timmons will do.

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05-04-2012, 12:38 PM
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So after watching him, what do you think? Top 5?
My opinion is as follows:

Scenario 1 (Edmonton wants Murray, so EDM and CLB flip picks)

1. CLB - Yakupov
2. EDM - Murray
3. MTL - Grigorenko
4. NYI - Forsberg
5. TOR - Galchenyuk

Scenario 2 (Edmonton wants Yakupov)

1. EDM - Yakupov
2. CLB - Forsberg
3. MTL - Grigorenko
4. NYI - Murray
5. TOR - Galchenyuk

Essentially, I believe that either EDM or NYI will select Murray. My bet is also that MTL takes either Galchenyuk or Grigorenko, and I think they will take Grigorenko, citing injury concerns for Alex.

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05-04-2012, 12:52 PM
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I think what's going on in the WHC pretty much guarantees Edmonton is taking Murray.

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05-04-2012, 12:58 PM
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i honestly think Murray is going to end up like a Chris Phillips

just a steady stay at home d who is a good skater but not overly physical

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05-04-2012, 01:01 PM
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i honestly think Murray is going to end up like a Chris Phillips

just a steady stay at home d who is a good skater but not overly physical
That doesnt sound like Chris Phillips at all.

I'd say Dan Hamhuis is a better comparison.

30-40 points, checks the best players on the opposition, number 1 PK defensman, can play PP, core part of a winning team.

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05-04-2012, 01:05 PM
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That doesnt sound like Chris Phillips at all.

I'd say Dan Hamhuis is a better comparison.

30-40 points, checks the best players on the opposition, number 1 PK defensman, can play PP, core part of a winning team.

I think he is more like a Jake Gardiner but a little more aggressive.

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05-04-2012, 01:06 PM
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I think he is more like a Jake Gardiner but a little more aggressive.
From what I've seen he looks less aggressive than Gardiner, but more defensively responsible.

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05-04-2012, 01:12 PM
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From what I've seen he looks less aggressive than Gardiner, but more defensively responsible.
I don't know how much less aggressive anyone can get

I see him almost for sure being at least a Gardiner type prospect, but with the upside of playing a Lidstrom type game. Not overly aggressive but great positioning to make up for it, and good offensive upside

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05-04-2012, 01:21 PM
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I don't know how much less aggressive anyone can get

I see him almost for sure being at least a Gardiner type prospect, but with the upside of playing a Lidstrom type game. Not overly aggressive but great positioning to make up for it, and good offensive upside
I thought you were talking about being aggressive offensively.

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05-04-2012, 01:28 PM
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Murray isn't worthy of the #1 pick imo. Safe, steady and reliable, yes, but I don't believe he has that elite upside that Doughty or Pietrangelo have. Yakupov, by all means, has those elite attributes and still has a high ceiling. I really hope management doesn't pass on him. Makes more sense to draft Yakupov first and then trade from areas of strength later.

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05-04-2012, 01:35 PM
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All i want is draft day. We've all prospect talked enough, lets just get this show on the road. Regardless teams ranked 1-5 are in a possition to get a very good prospect. Flashy aside, Murray is captain material. Hes a coaches dream, a player that can be impactful in the most important times of a game and log a ton of minutes while doing so. The problem with fans is that they are infatuated with point production. Whomever drafts Murray will be moderately satisfied for the time being. Once he establishes himself, hes going to be a Pietrangelo type. Passing over that kid could be a HUGE mistake.

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05-04-2012, 01:39 PM
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I think what's going on in the WHC pretty much guarantees Edmonton is taking Murray.
Not really

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Murray isn't worthy of the #1 pick imo. Safe, steady and reliable, yes, but I don't believe he has that elite upside that Doughty or Pietrangelo have. Yakupov, by all means, has those elite attributes and still has a high ceiling. I really hope management doesn't pass on him. Makes more sense to draft Yakupov first and then trade from areas of strength later.
I don't think many will argue that he isn't better than Yakupov. The more interesting question is whether he is a better prospect on draft day than Alex Galchenyuk, Filip Forsberg, or Mikhail Grigorenko.

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05-04-2012, 01:42 PM
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All i want is draft day. We've all prospect talked enough, lets just get this show on the road. Regardless teams ranked 1-5 are in a possition to get a very good prospect. Flashy aside, Murray is captain material. Hes a coaches dream, a player that can be impactful in the most important times of a game and log a ton of minutes while doing so. The problem with fans is that they are infatuated with point production. Whomever drafts Murray will be moderately satisfied for the time being. Once he establishes himself, hes going to be a Pietrangelo type. Passing over that kid could be a HUGE mistake.
He was sure impactful for Russia in the WJC's.

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He was sure impactful for Russia in the WJC's.
How many times have you watched him play outside of the WJC...any viewings with Everett?

I doubt it.

I dont have much time for people who paint a player bad after ONE poor game. It wasn't even that poor of a game, as it was unlucky and he still managed to have a good game after a disastrous start.


It makes me laugh that people knock him for that game, especially when he was an undrafted player taking on more responsibility than the much hyped Hamilton and Gormley.

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05-04-2012, 02:29 PM
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all the things people are bashing Murray for, were the same things people were using to bash Landeskog a year ago

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My opinion is as follows:

Scenario 1 (Edmonton wants Murray, so EDM and CLB flip picks)

1. CLB - Yakupov
2. EDM - Murray
3. MTL - Grigorenko
4. NYI - Forsberg
5. TOR - Galchenyuk

Scenario 2 (Edmonton wants Yakupov)

1. EDM - Yakupov
2. CLB - Forsberg
3. MTL - Grigorenko
4. NYI - Murray
5. TOR - Galchenyuk

Essentially, I believe that either EDM or NYI will select Murray. My bet is also that MTL takes either Galchenyuk or Grigorenko, and I think they will take Grigorenko, citing injury concerns for Alex.
I doubt Montreal takes Grigorenko.

I see the odds being something like Teravainen 40%, Galchenyuk 35%, Murray 25%.

For the draft order with Edmonton taking Yakupov and then (2)Galchenyuk, (3)Teravainen and (4) either Dumba or Murray. I could see Toronto and Columbus trading picks.

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05-04-2012, 03:10 PM
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i can guarantee Murray will not make it past the islanders, as for higher then 4th? who knows.

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05-04-2012, 03:20 PM
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I doubt Montreal takes Grigorenko.

I see the odds being something like Teravainen 40%, Galchenyuk 35%, Murray 25%.

For the draft order with Edmonton taking Yakupov and then (2)Galchenyuk, (3)Teravainen and (4) either Dumba or Murray. I could see Toronto and Columbus trading picks.
I agree with this
If I was able to gamble my mortgage that the Habs would not draft Grigorenko I'd do it and run away laughing, he is everything that our scouts shy away from and at 3 they will not take that gamble.

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