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LD Ryan Murray (2012, 2nd overall, Columbus)

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05-04-2012, 05:13 PM
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I doubt Murray makes it past Columbus. He is the surest thing in the draft. He is a Ryan Sutter type player. Howson will be less than thrilled taking anyone who is not a sure thing. In fact Howson is probably happy we lost the draft so he wouldn't look bad passing on Nail.

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05-04-2012, 06:51 PM
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I doubt Murray makes it past Columbus. He is the surest thing in the draft. He is a Ryan Sutter type player. Howson will be less than thrilled taking anyone who is not a sure thing. In fact Howson is probably happy we lost the draft so he wouldn't look bad passing on Nail.
I don't really know about that, Howson looked like his eyes were watering as they were interviewing him right after the lottery selection.

I think it'll be

1. Yakupov (EDM)
2. Forsberg (CLB)
3. Galchenyuk (MTL)
4. Murray (NYI)
5. Grigorenko (TOR)
6. Dumba (ANA)

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05-04-2012, 07:23 PM
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I don't really know about that, Howson looked like his eyes were watering as they were interviewing him right after the lottery selection.

I think it'll be

1. Yakupov (EDM)
2. Forsberg (CLB)
3. Galchenyuk (MTL)
4. Murray (NYI)
5. Grigorenko (TOR)
6. Dumba (ANA)
They were watering because he was not put in a position to take a player he would hate to select in Nail. Forsberg might be the pick, but Howson is on thin ice and his pick will need to play this next season. The most ready prospect is Murray. He and JJ would be a very sturdy blue line.

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05-04-2012, 07:37 PM
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They were watering because he was not put in a position to take a player he would hate to select in Nail. Forsberg might be the pick, but Howson is on thin ice and his pick will need to play this next season. The most ready prospect is Murray. He and JJ would be a very sturdy blue line.
I agree 100%. If Murray isn't picked first, CBJ should jump at the opportunity to draft him.

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05-04-2012, 07:45 PM
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all the things people are bashing Murray for, were the same things people were using to bash Landeskog a year ago
I think that as well. Too safe, not enough upside, not dynamic. Obviously it's different for defensemen, but I don't think anyone will regret taking Murray.

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05-04-2012, 08:00 PM
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I think Oilers definitely pick Murray one way or another. Not only Kevin Lowe is getting a good look at him, he's also priming him and getting him the experience in a high level already.

I think a good comparison for Murray would be young Wade Redden. To me he has WR written all over him based on scouting report.

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05-04-2012, 08:06 PM
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i honestly think Murray is going to end up like a Chris Phillips

just a steady stay at home d who is a good skater but not overly physical
I personally see a "in his prime" Wade Redden more then Phillips

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i can guarantee Murray will not make it past the islanders, as for higher then 4th? who knows.
As an Islanders fan I can't guarantee that. I personally have no clue what goes through managements head but it seems like they prefer players who are more "boom or bust" over more sure fire picks if you going off the past couple drafts.


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05-04-2012, 08:17 PM
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I think Oilers definitely pick Murray one way or another. Not only Kevin Lowe is getting a good look at him, he's also priming him and getting him the experience in a high level already.

I think a good comparison for Murray would be young Wade Redden. To me he has WR written all over him based on scouting report.
nope

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05-04-2012, 09:16 PM
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I think Oilers definitely pick Murray one way or another. Not only Kevin Lowe is getting a good look at him, he's also priming him and getting him the experience in a high level already.

I think a good comparison for Murray would be young Wade Redden. To me he has WR written all over him based on scouting report.
Not a chance.

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05-04-2012, 09:26 PM
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If Murray is available at #3, does Mtl take him? Yes, we need Cs and Ws, but we all have no need for any potential risky asset. Plus, we could trade Murray for a Gomez-type player

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05-04-2012, 09:26 PM
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yakupov
Maybe after drafting Yakupov you guys will finish 13th in the west next year!

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Maybe after drafting Yakupov you guys will finish 13th in the west next year!
LOL Coming from a Leafs fan.

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05-04-2012, 10:45 PM
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I bet Edmonton and Columbus already have a deal in the works to swap picks and take Murray and Yakupov respectively.

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05-04-2012, 11:29 PM
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Maybe after drafting Yakupov you guys will finish 13th in the west next year!
Yakupov makes us more of a better team next year than Murray does.

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05-04-2012, 11:50 PM
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By draft day last year, I had accurate predictions of what would happen. I don't think I will be close at all this year. I have no idea how it will shake down. Murray could go 1st or even 4th or 5th.

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05-05-2012, 12:15 AM
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By draft day last year, I had accurate predictions of what would happen. I don't think I will be close at all this year. I have no idea how it will shake down. Murray could go 1st or even 4th or 5th.


Yukopov will go first, but to Columbus. He's what they need, Murray is what Edmonton needs.

Despite of Oilers fans who still crying about not picking Shane Doan, will have to watch repeat of similar scenario.

I have a bad feeling, Murray will be a major disappointment

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05-05-2012, 12:36 AM
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Yukopov will go first, but to Columbus. He's what they need, Murray is what Edmonton needs.

Despite of Oilers fans who still crying about not picking Shane Doan, will have to watch repeat of similar scenario.

I have a bad feeling, Murray will be a major disappointment
He won't be anything worse than a very good second pairing Dman, his upside IMO is a better skating version of Brent Seabrook with a better vision but less physical.

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05-05-2012, 12:38 AM
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By draft day last year, I had accurate predictions of what would happen. I don't think I will be close at all this year. I have no idea how it will shake down. Murray could go 1st or even 4th or 5th.
According to every leaf fan it's Galchenyuk or Grigorenko or nothing at 5th

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05-05-2012, 01:11 AM
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According to every leaf fan it's Galchenyuk or Grigorenko or nothing at 5th
You've never been the Leafs forum then. Leafs fans ideal draft would be Galy/Grigo/FF, but Murray is hell of a consolation prize.

I would love to take Murray if he lands at 5. Most just bet that he'll be gone at 2 or 4.

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05-05-2012, 03:45 AM
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According to every leaf fan it's Galchenyuk or Grigorenko or nothing at 5th
I'd disagree with that. Think plenty of Leaf fans know at 5 it's going to be a case of taking who is left after the first 4. Besides Yakupov no guarantees who else will be gone. Any of Forsberg, Murray, Galchenyuk, Grigorenko could go in the remaining spots before the Leafs. Certainly Galchenyuk or Grigorenko would be my top choices for the Leafs at 5, but if Murray is there wouldn't have a problem taking him at all.

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05-05-2012, 03:55 AM
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Check out this bit by Cory Pronmon over at Copper n' Blue:

http://www.coppernblue.com/2012/5/2/...-100#storyjump

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What is surprising about #6 is that it's not Ryan Murray. A number of Draft Analysts have quietly moved Murray down their rankings, Pronman among them. As recently as March, he had Murray ranked 4th, but according to Corey: "I struggled a lot with ranking Ryan Murray. He's been on the prospect scene for a while, but I still got very diverging thoughts from scouts and from my own viewings about how good offensively he will be. Depending who you talk to, one scout will praise the elite vision while another will say he lacks the puck skills and doesn't play that much of an offensive style."

For that contingent of fans that want to trade the #1 overall pick and draft Ryan Murray with the return should take note. Pronman is not the only Analyst with other defensemen in front of Murray. He remains neck-and-neck with Matthew Dumba, but I've seen Griffin Reinhart, Morgan Rielly and Jacob Trouba all ranked in front of him as well.

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05-05-2012, 05:05 PM
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Maybe after drafting Yakupov you guys will finish 13th in the west next year!
Murray will be a 3/4 defenseman next year at best, Yakupov could potentially score 30 goals. Yakupov makes the Oilers a better team next year. The Oilers are better off pursuing a UFA like Wideman or Carle to fix their blueline.

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Murray will be a 3/4 defenseman next year at best, Yakupov could potentially score 30 goals. Yakupov makes the Oilers a better team next year. The Oilers are better off pursuing a UFA like Wideman or Carle to fix their blueline.
Good luck with that

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05-05-2012, 05:14 PM
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Good luck with that
I don't see Murray being a stud immediately either.

Oilers would be better off pursuing a Bryan Allen type d-man, he will make a bigger impact immediately. They need vets on the back end not kids. Teams that overpay for Wideman will regret it as well.

Murray doesn't look totally out of place at the WHC, but he hasn't looked great either IMO. Yakupov will be the better player next year and quite likely the better player in the long term too.

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Murry playing at these world hockey championships will IMO help Tambellini rationalize picking Murry over Yakupov(imo Murry is the right choice worth the wealth of forward prospect edm has)

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