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07-22-2010, 07:44 PM
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Realistic Replacements: Mason Raymond

A second line left wing. That is what Mason Raymond is, that is what the Canucks need. Raymond already a part of the team and a suitable role for that position, so it's natural the Canucks pursue resigning him. Raymond is going through arbitration now, because he feels he can fetch more dollars than what he was offered. The rumblings are that his agent will present a strong case for making upto 4 million per year. Is that worth his value? Should Canucks decide to walk away from him, let's take a look at a list of players who can realistically replace him.

Please note: I am including UFA's AND RFA's, because both categories are plausible signings. The list is in no specific order! My price range is no one who I think would make more than 3 million dollars.

Paul Kariya: 43 P in 75 GP. This has to be his worse point per game year yet, which makes him a viable option for a low-balled contract. Could thrive one last time in the right system, if conditioned enough.

Tomas Fleischmann: 51 P in 69 GP. Injury problems have plagued this young skater's career, but this guy can play either wing, and has been played as a center with the Caps for part of last year.

Slava Kozlov: 26 P in 55 GP. This unpredictable veteran has had seasons that range from just over a point per game to the stat that is beside his name. He is 38, so this may just be his swan song, instead of an unfocused year.

James Neal: 55 P in 78 GP. Only 22, and in just his second season of the NHL. I would speculate the 3 million limit I've set would be a great deal to catch Neal under. He will either continue or improve his game next year.

Jere Lehtinen: 17 P in 58 GP. More of the same mold as Kozlov. An old, streaky player, and throw in injury problems too. With that being said, this 37 year old fetched 37 P in 48 GP just three years ago. 50 points in a full season is not out of reach for Jere's last gasp.

Fabian Brunnstrom: 11 P in 44 GP. Given the past drama surrounding Canucks trying to sign him for his rookie NHL season, and his disappointing work once arrived in the NHL with the Dallas Stars, this player may not ever be an option. Worth noting, as he is skilled and capable, IF disciplined. He tallied 29 P in 59 GP 2 years ago in his rookie season.

Alexei Ponikarovsky: 50 P in 77 GP. Poni boy is capable of 20 goals per season, as accomplished with the Leafs for multiple seasons. It seems like forever since he winged to Mats Sundin, but he is only 30.

Ruslan Fedotenko: 30 P in 80 GP. Doesn't look too good? Well he accomplished 39 P in 65 GP the year before. He has only reached 40 points once in his career, even while playing aside Malkin and Crosby. He is 31 with room for improvement, but Fedz may be better suited for a third line, or a team with lesser offensive power than the Canucks.

Matt Moulson: 48 P in 82 GP. Having a breakout season, Matt has finally stuck in the NHL for a full season at the age of 26. This late bloomer shouldn't be overlooked.

Fredik Modin: 11 P in 44 GP. The 35 year old's best stat year was 57 P in 2004 with Tamba Bay. He has seen a natural decline because of age though.

Alexander Frolov: 51 P in 81 GP. This playmaker who is arguably in his prime right now, will surely fetch the 3 million limit I've set if I am too include him in this list.

That's about it for my scouting report, alot of older players who probably won't even be looked at, and alot of RFA's that will probably be resigned by their current team. However they are all possibilities and all capable of being productive second liners playing alongside Kesler and Samuelsson.

Who do you like the looks of? Have another suggestion? Leave a comment and let me know!

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07-22-2010, 07:48 PM
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I just don't see the Canucks walking away from Raymond's arbitration award, unless it is completely outrageous. Statistically comparable UFA's will likely cost just as much, or even more.

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We cannot afford to lose Raymond for nothing, we'll definitely be matching.

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I'll bet my left nut he gets at most $3mil and we'll match.

He can think he's worth as much as he wants but Gillis used to be an agent. He knows what to do and Raymond won't get more than that. I'm guessing he gets anywhere between 2.6-2.9. We'll match that in a second.

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We cannot afford to lose Raymond for nothing, we'll definitely be matching.
matching sure, but trading after he gets a 4m contract, I would do it in a heart beat.

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I don't want to lose Raymond, or come across the wrong way, but here's a fun fact: Hodgson and Schroeder both have far more talent than Raymond, and only 1 less productive NHL season.

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Jere Lehtinen: 17 P in 58 GP. More of the same mold as Kozlov. An old, streaky player, and throw in injury problems too. With that being said, this 37 year old fetched 37 P in 48 GP just three years ago. 50 points in a full season is not out of reach for Jere's last gasp.
"Just three years ago" Yashin was still playing for the Islanders, Tanguay had an 81 point season, Vyborny lead the Blue Jackets in scoring, Vrbata was 2nd in the BHawks scoring, and Doug Weight lead the Blues. Three years is a long time in hockey and it's kind of silly to hope for 50 pts out of Lehtinen at this point in his career.

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Hypothetically?

Teemu Selanne.

Would come cheap on a 1 year deal to play on a contender IF he was to play somewhere other than Anaheim. Don't have to worry about selling him on the West Coast, as he's played in the West for years now. Still has sublime goal scoring talent and would be the perfect short term fill in to gap Cody Hodgson (or Schroeder) from the 3rd line to the 2nd line.

The Canucks will not walk away from Raymond, but you asked, so that would be my pick.

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Grabner anyone?

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Maxim Afinogenov

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Grabner anyone?
Dont you remember: Grabner is redundant here.

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Doubt that will happen... seems like JP and MG worked out quite a few deals in the past so they'll likely work out a deal before it goes to a hearing. If he gets awarded 4mil, we will just walk away from it, keep Bieksa, and hope one of our prospects take the top 6 role... just like Raymond did last year. We have prospects that realistically have more offensive skill than Raymond (not the same speed but much better puck handling/shooting). Heck Raymond was demoted to the 3rd line quite a bit and it didn't really effect Kesler... a line with Kesler/Burrows/sniper might not be bad (say Shirokov/Hodgson). Bieksa gives us a lot more depth defensively so its not a horrible trade off. Sucks to lose an asset for nothing but sometimes you have no choice.

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I second Afinogenov

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James Neal is the clearly the best choice on that list.

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I second Afinogenov
I third afinogenov, basically the exact same player, but at least afinogenov has a history of scoring lots of goals.

Also he is cheaper, and we could package bieksa + raymond for something else

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Afinogenov has a very long history of underachieving. For all the talent this guy has, he's only had 4 seasons out of 10 where he averaged more than 0.5 points per game. I would steer very clear of him.

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Afinogenov scored more points playing a similar role on a much worse team than Raymond last season. Afinogenov is a better offensive player than Raymond and is comparable in speed. Afinogenov would also probably cost around 1.5-2.0 million to Raymond's 3+. Afinogenov had some rocky years in Ruff's doghouse in Buffalo, but I think he's shown he can be a legit 60 point player in a up tempo system. The only negative would be losing Raymond's two play and penalty killing. However if Gillis does his job with the bottom six, that wouldn't be a problem. There would be some potential for bust with Afinogenov but you'd have to expect that with any top six player under 2 mil.

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Big no thanks to Afinogenov.

If it comes down to it, and Raymond must be moved, I wonder if we could send Bieksa and Raymond to Tampa for Malone? If Yzerman is intent on building a team on pure skill like many around here are reporting, I think this is a deal he may go for.

If Raymond comes in at 4 + Bieksa at 3.75- Malone's 4.5 and we are left with 3.25 over what we had. Maybe throw Philly's 2nd our way to even things out.

That would be my option, if we could get Stevie Y's ear.


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No one would choose Selanne on a 1 year as the best option if Raymond was gone?

Wow.

I'd take Selanne over Afinogenov in a HEARTBEAT. Afinogenov has pulled the disappearing act way too much to look at one flashy season on a team with no semblance of a system and go all gaga. Afinogenov is not a Gillis type player at all. Selanne would be such a welcome addition. Another cup ring, amazing experience, a power play machine (even at 39 last year) and a great attitude and compete level.

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No one would choose Selanne on a 1 year as the best option if Raymond was gone?

Wow.

I'd take Selanne over Afinogenov in a HEARTBEAT. Afinogenov has pulled the disappearing act way too much to look at one flashy season on a team with no semblance of a system and go all gaga. Afinogenov is not a Gillis type player at all. Selanne would be such a welcome addition. Another cup ring, amazing experience, a power play machine (even at 39 last year) and a great attitude and compete level.
I agree here.

Only problem is that is if Selanne is willing at all to sign in Vancouver.

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I'll gladly eat some serious crow if Selanne ends up anywhere other then retirement or the Ducks.

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Trade for Fistric. It might take more than Raymond and Bieksa, but Gillis will know by now what Ehrhoff wants to do next year. Same with numerous others. The team is already a different outfit than last year. While he has the Bruins in conversation, Gillis should inquire after Chara, too.

Win now.

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Trade for Fistric. It might take more than Raymond and Bieksa, but Gillis will know by now what Ehrhoff wants to do next year. Same with numerous others. The team is already a different outfit than last year. While he has the Bruins in conversation, Gillis should inquire after Chara, too.

Win now.
I think cause of Gillis, if we trade or try to acquire more good players with smarts we should try for the cup or we can pay less.

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if the canucks aren't able to afford raymond, signing stempniak might not be a bad idea. he's bound to be cheaper, and could probably fill the role.

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What basis does Raymond have for getting an award anywhere near $4M? He's had one 20+ goal season, that doesn't get you a $4M arbitration award. Nikolai Zherdev was awarded just under $4M last season but that was after three 20+ goal seasons.

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