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07-23-2010, 12:37 PM
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Details are coming in now.

Apparently Kipper tripped on Jokinen's mustache and landed on Sami's ankle while rushing for a smoke between periods.

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Thanks for a long laugh on a cold day Sami.

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07-23-2010, 12:39 PM
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Not again...

It doesn't accumulate. LTIR only allows the team to exceed the cap on emergency basis, until the player comes back.
This is the most frustrating argument in the hockey world. I hate people who either can't or refuse to understand this concept.

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07-23-2010, 12:41 PM
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This is the most frustrating argument in the hockey world. I hate people who either can't or refuse to understand this concept.
Just to re-iterate for anyone else. This is from the CapGeek CBA FAQ

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Teams receive cap relief when a player is considered to have a "bona-fide long-term injury" — injuries that cause a player to miss at least 10 games or 24 days. This is one of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of the CBA.

Just because a player is on LTIR does not automatically grant the team extra cap space. In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team's overall cap payroll. Relief only comes if replacing the player's salary pushes the team's cap payroll to date over the cap. The amount of relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap, not the entire amount of the injured player's salary.

Performance bonuses are not used in the calculation of LTIR relief.
http://www.capgeek.com/faq.php

Since teams rarely ever get right up to the cap, you are looking at maybe 3-3.25 in cap relief WHILE Salo is on LTIR. Once he's back it gets greasy.

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Bieksa still needs to be traded for us to be cap compliant, even with Salo on the LTIR.

FORWARDS
Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($0.825m)
Victor Oreskovich ($0.575m) / Joel Perrault ($0.510m) / Tanner Glass ($0.625m)
Rick Rypien ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.050m)
Shane O'Brien ($1.600m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) /Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $90,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,475,000; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$225,000

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07-23-2010, 12:44 PM
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More like the reading comprehension police are showing up....now.

Where did you read anything about grit in my post? You must have a rather large problem bordering obsession if you have to respond to an unrelated post in such a fashion. I was genuinely being inquisitive as to why you, or Gillis thinks this guy can pull a regular shift in the NHL.
Do you know anything about this guy? Seen him play?

Please, help me out, I'm just curious thats all.



Rrrrrrrrright. Those scouts haven't been wrong in the past.

You're right, discussion not needed, close the boards.
I couldn't know less about Perrault, I'm just saying Gillis moved quickly to get him on July 1st, and I have a lot of faith in Gillis.

And aren't you the one clamouring for grit in every thread?

Anyways, I've derailed this thread horribly, we can continue in the armchair GM thread if you want to talk 4th line centres.

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07-23-2010, 12:45 PM
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Just to re-iterate for anyone else. This is from the CapGeek CBA FAQ


http://www.capgeek.com/faq.php

Since teams rarely ever get right up to the cap, you are looking at maybe 3-3.25 in cap relief WHILE Salo is on LTIR. Once he's back it gets greasy.


If I see "pro-rated cap hit" or "injury savings" one more time I'm going to end us all.

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07-23-2010, 12:46 PM
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40th anniversary celebrations start early with Salo's 40th career injury playing no contact floorball!

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07-23-2010, 12:47 PM
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Has Perrault changed his game since last season? Is he on a knew workout regimen? I can't honestly believe this guy is our answer to the fourth line when he had trouble cracking the Coyotes lineup the past two seasons? He's played 9 games in the last two years...

Is there honestly something I'm missing on this guy? Whats Gillis' inside track, if he does think Perrault is good enough?
Yeah and he played 50 the year before that. He has NHL experience. Canucks' scouts must have seen something they like in this guy. He was a junior scorer that has been converted into a checker. Sometimes that transition takes time. He's definitely top line AHL material, time will tell if he can stick at the NHL level again. I think he was brought in to battle for the 4th line spot with Bolduc and whomever else.

Bottom line he's 6-2, over 200 and is hungry for a shot making the league minimum. I've seen him a bit (thought the Canucks might pick him up last year on waivers), he's pretty fast, can play both C and W, passes well and has a decent skill set. Downside is he's not overly strong or physical. At this point I think he would be our 4th line C.

May have been a "character" signing as well. Apparently he's a really good teammate and person. I'll leave it to Gillis and his guys to judge him. And then we'll judge him when he plays! If we're lucky, he'll turn out to be a Glen Metropolit type. If not he's in Europe next year.

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07-23-2010, 12:54 PM
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I couldn't know less about Perrault, I'm just saying Gillis moved quickly to get him on July 1st, and I have a lot of faith in Gillis.

And aren't you the one clamouring for grit in every thread?

Anyways, I've derailed this thread horribly, we can continue in the armchair GM thread if you want to talk 4th line centres.
Yeah he his, but give him guff for that when he actually brings it up, not when the guy is having a discussion and doesn't even mention it. I'm not sold on Perrault at all. Every GM signs 3rd/4th liners that don't work out and chances are good he could one of them.

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07-23-2010, 12:54 PM
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Bieksa still needs to be traded for us to be cap compliant, even with Salo on the LTIR.

FORWARDS
Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($0.825m)
Victor Oreskovich ($0.575m) / Joel Perrault ($0.510m) / Tanner Glass ($0.625m)
Rick Rypien ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.050m)
Shane O'Brien ($1.600m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) /Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $90,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,475,000; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$225,000
I assume we would not be carrying 8 defensemen. Ditch SOB or AHLberts and you're fine.

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07-23-2010, 01:00 PM
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Poor Sami, this news is just ridiculous

My wishlist for this off season

1. Still trading Bieksa for a solid pick and high prospect
2. Trade one of SOB and Alberts
3. Sign Willy Mitchell or another servicable FA Dman at a discount
4. Get rid of Hordi
5. Pray that Raymond gets 2.75-3 mil over 2-3 years at arbitration
6. Sign a gritty, tough as nails bottom 6 forward
7. Bond Metal Alloy Adamantium to Sami Salo's bones like Wolverine so he become indestructible (I just watched Xmen 2 days ago)

Get it done Gillis

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07-23-2010, 01:03 PM
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Good grief, this guy needs to retire, it stopped being funny 15 injuries ago.

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Bieksa still needs to be traded for us to be cap compliant, even with Salo on the LTIR.

FORWARDS
Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m)
Mason Raymond ($3.000m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($2.500m)
Cody Hodgson ($1.666m) / Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jannik Hansen ($0.825m)
Victor Oreskovich ($0.575m) / Joel Perrault ($0.510m) / Tanner Glass ($0.625m)
Rick Rypien ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m)
Kevin Bieksa ($3.750m) / Christian Ehrhoff ($3.100m)
Alexander Edler ($3.250m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.050m)
Shane O'Brien ($1.600m) / Aaron Rome ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) /Cory Schneider ($0.900m)

CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $90,000

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,475,000; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$225,000
Two things jump out at me here:

1. Alberts should be ditched. His salary just doesn't fit into the backend along with Bieksa's salary

2. That fourth line is hideous.

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I assume we would not be carrying 8 defensemen. Ditch SOB or AHLberts and you're fine.
No, we would still need to trade Bieksa at one point. Once Salo is ready to play, space would have to be created to bring him back... IE) Bieksa's salary would then have to be moved. Either we do it now while demand for Bieksa is high, or we wait until Salo comes back (With luck around the trade deadline) and then trade him then.

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Or we just keep Salo on LTIR all year until the playoffs.

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Or we just keep Salo on LTIR all year until the playoffs.
Wrap him in bubble wrap and allow him to eat through some sort of a feeding device that has no chance of injury or choking him.

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This is a blessing in disguise if we re sign Mitchell because of it.
I agree... this is either a blessing in disguise or a terrible hit. I am willing to bet it is the former than the latter. We've been without Salo before. But we need Mitchell back. And this is the opening for it. If it is really 6 months, it takes us up close to the trade deadline so moves could be made to dump some salary if Salo is ready to return.

Or it gives a chance for our youngin's to really step up. I have a hope that Sweatt can make an impact here.

Bieksa should still be on the market, imo.

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Two things jump out at me here:

1. Alberts should be ditched. His salary just doesn't fit into the backend along with Bieksa's salary

2. That fourth line is hideous.
1. Many would argue (myself included) that SOB should be ditched ahead of Alberts because of his salary.

2. The 4th line is always going to be ugly...but it could be worse, we could have Johnson back.

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07-23-2010, 01:17 PM
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No, we would still need to trade Bieksa at one point. Once Salo is ready to play, space would have to be created to bring him back... IE) Bieksa's salary would then have to be moved. Either we do it now while demand for Bieksa is high, or we wait until Salo comes back (With luck around the trade deadline) and then trade him then.
Well obviously.

Point is you could theoretically carry both Raymond and Bieksa through Salo's injury period just by waiving Alberts.

What if Bieksa has a bounce back year and his value shoots up? Not a bad position to be in, but we risk the fact he may continue his reign of suckitude.

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Maybe this is a blessing in disguise, as it raises the asking price for Bieksa, knowing that the Canucks are not desperate to move him as a salary dumping move and could even use him for next season.

I would still prefer to see him moved this offseason, since the return might be higher than trading him in November, when rosters are set for teams. Its also a risk because if he plays poor again, his value will drop and teams will know the Canucks are desperate to get rid of him when Salo comes back to be compliant with the cap and the more likely scenario is Bieksa gets traded for relatively nothing. Bieksa ended his season somewhat on a high note leading the team's blueliners in points, so mind as well trade him now while his value and the demand for him is the highest.

Trading Bieksa, also opens up a spot for Lee Sweatt, who I am intrigued with as a result of his successful campaign with TPS.

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1. Many would argue (myself included) that SOB should be ditched ahead of Alberts because of his salary.

2. The 4th line is always going to be ugly...but it could be worse, we could have Johnson back.
SOB has shown he can at least skate and not be a complete pylon on the ice against the quicker forwards in the league.

Here's the way I see it:

O'Brien - Big physical forwards, check. Quick speedy forwards, check. He's more mobile than Alberts.

Alberts - Big physical forwards, check. Quick speedy forwards, liability to take many holding penalties or simply get beaten and taken out of position.

The difference in salary is a definite reason to look at dumping O'Brien instead of Alberts, I totally get that.

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If we do offer a contract to Mitchell, I think he could easily play until he's 35 or 36. I suggest offing him a 3 year contract: $2.75M year one, $1.75M year two & $500K year three. Cap hit: $1.67M per year

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