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05-26-2004, 08:26 PM
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Sopel for Dumont - said it before, I'll say it again. Fits both teams' needs like a glove (Canucks 2nd line RW, Buffalo's RH defenseman).

Buffalo wouldn't do it.Buffalo added Jillson and Brad Brown at the deadline....both RH.Dumont is still young and was very good last year.The way Sopel disappeared in the playoffs I'll pass.

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I still want a shot at Mike Noronen out of Buffalo.

Noronen/Auld doesn't sound that bad.

It's not that I want to run Cloutier out of town.
It's that I'm running a 3.5 mil Dan Cloutier out of town

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05-27-2004, 09:36 AM
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Buffalo wouldn't do it.Buffalo added Jillson and Brad Brown at the deadline....both RH.Dumont is still young and was very good last year.The way Sopel disappeared in the playoffs I'll pass.
Agreed. Buffalo still needs a RD IMO, but either a front line RD like Aucoin, or someone who may eventually get there like a Komisarek. Zhitnik can play RD but he is even better on LD.

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cause i was using fairly blunt language. let go of zhitnik. that better?
If you know Zhitnik is our best defenseman - and he is, why do you want to let go of Zhitnik?

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If you know Zhitnik is our best defenseman - and he is, why do you want to let go of Zhitnik?
*sigh*

only if we could get a large improvment. which isnt going to happen.

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I still want a shot at Mike Noronen out of Buffalo.

Noronen/Auld doesn't sound that bad.

It's not that I want to run Cloutier out of town.
It's that I'm running a 3.5 mil Dan Cloutier out of town
I agree here. If Cloutier wants an increase in his salary to over $3 mil on a one year deal, I think the Canucks are better suited looking elsewhere. Colorado took a chance this year on two completey unproven goalies in Aebischer and Sauve, this with very high expectations after signing Kariya and Selanne. Sure it didn't work out like expected, but I don't think you can blame the goaltending for that. Ideally, I want to re-sign Cloutier, but if he wants upwards of $3 mil, I say look elsewhere, and Buffalo would be the first team I contact. If worse comes to worse and both Noronen/whomever is brought in and Auld fail, then there are likely going to be some goaltenders available with experience that the Canucks could pick-up later in the season.

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I still want a shot at Mike Noronen out of Buffalo.

Noronen/Auld doesn't sound that bad.

It's not that I want to run Cloutier out of town.
It's that I'm running a 3.5 mil Dan Cloutier out of town
i wouldnt mind you getting him. what could you offer us. 2nd rounder is most people hope for, can you improve upon that?

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only if we could get a large improvment. which isnt going to happen.
A large improvement over what? Our best defenseman? That's not going to happen (as you note), so why mention it?

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05-27-2004, 02:27 PM
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I still want a shot at Mike Noronen out of Buffalo.

Noronen/Auld doesn't sound that bad.

It's not that I want to run Cloutier out of town.
It's that I'm running a 3.5 mil Dan Cloutier out of town
What would Buffalo have to add in order to get Cooke?

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05-27-2004, 03:41 PM
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A large improvement over what? Our best defenseman? That's not going to happen (as you note), so why mention it?
i mentioned it in a line at the bottom of a thread, as a serious long shot. it'd take Golisano to open his wallet bigger than necessary, and no-one would want to come here anyhow.

it was never a big deal, it's become one for some silly reason.

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What would Buffalo have to add in order to get Cooke?
While Cooke's market value isn't exactly sky-high, he's quite valuable to the Canucks. He's shown an ability to play on the top line while still fulfilling a role as a grinder and a PKer. The price would be too high for Buffalo IMO.

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What would Buffalo have to add in order to get Cooke?
Cooke won't be traded.

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Cooke won't be traded.
I don't know if he *won't* be traded... as much as I love Cooke, I'd deal him if we got a lopsided offer, and there might be one available for him out there, considering his recent step up in play (the playoffs and worlds included), his age and salary also a factor.

I gotta feeling that a GM like Keenan might just overpay to get a guy like Cooke... and as much as I'd hate to see him move, if there was an overpayment for him - like something Keenan would do moving skill for grit - then you'd probably have to make the move.

not sure what could be worked out with the Panthers or another team though.

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What would Buffalo have to add in order to get Cooke?
Cooke is hard to replace as he brings nearly every facet to the game. he has some decent scoring ability, while playing solid defensively, adding grit and energy, he's one of the best forecheckers in the game, he's an agitator, etc.

what does Buffalo have that could replace that plus intice the Canucks? it's not like Cooke is untouchable, however there's little anybody can offer to strip away a player who brings that much to the table without overpaying.

and with his contract that way it is, it makes even less sense to deal him.

i could see Cooke being dealt if Cloutier is awarded too much money during arbitration and they let him go. i could see the Canucks pursuing Biron/Noronen in that case, and could perhaps work out a package deal involving Cooke.

something like (not evened out, but this would be the brunt of it)

Cooke + 1st for Satan + Noronen?

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I don't know if he *won't* be traded... as much as I love Cooke, I'd deal him if we got a lopsided offer, and there might be one available for him out there, considering his recent step up in play (the playoffs and worlds included), his age and salary also a factor.

I gotta feeling that a GM like Keenan might just overpay to get a guy like Cooke... and as much as I'd hate to see him move, if there was an overpayment for him - like something Keenan would do moving skill for grit - then you'd probably have to make the move.

not sure what could be worked out with the Panthers or another team though.
Well Cooke is definitely moveable, I just don't see any team giving the Canucks the type of offer they would need to move him. Successful teams have players like Cooke, IMO the Canucks need more Cooke's not less. I can definitely see Keenan being interested in adding a Matt Cooke type, but what do the Panthers have to offer? Looking at their roster the only player that really makes any sense is Olli Jokinen, but even then, that would only be if Morrison isn't brought back, and I don't see the Panthers moving Jokinen anyway.

If the Canucks can get that gritty, top 6 forward or gritty, top 4 d-man for Cooke, then I'd stronly consider moving him. But otherwise, there's no way I'd trade Cookie.

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I'm not saying Matt Cooke is worth Olli Jokinen, but the Canucks wouldn't move Cooke for a Kristian Huselius or Niklas Hagman. It would have to be an overpayment for them to consider trading Cooke, thus the suggestion of Jokinen.


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Cooke + 1st for Satan + Noronen?
I personally don't like it. I like Noronen, and would like to see the Canucks pick him up if Cloutier isn't brought back, but the Canucks' goal should be to get tougher, more character, and more hard working players. They were outworked by the Flames this year and were outworked by the Wild last season. Replacing Cooke with Satan is an obvious upgrade in terms of skill and talent, but the Canucks take a huge hit in the grit, character, and intensity areas. The Canucks need to improve these areas, not downgrade them.

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I some ways the Nucks could use more Cookes not less. If we could find a right wing equivalent of Cooke for the 3rd line I'd be very happy. If you take out Cooke the Nucks look softer, probably way too soft. Dumont interests me more than Satan. He'd be able to play 2nd or 3rd line with the Sedin or with Linden.

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I personally don't like it.
Me neither.. I don't really think I like Noronen either actually. But agree with what you said about grit and hard working players and Satan.

I still like Mckee.. What about something along the lines of Mckee and Pyatt.
I'm not sure what the Canucks would need to add to Cooke to get a deal done like that but that would be what I would be looking for from Buffalo if I were to trade Cooke.

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or with Linden.
With Linden?? I think pretty much everybody has Linden pegged on the 3rd or 4th line Right Wing. Get him off Centre at all costs. He is a good injury reserve but will be far more effective for the Canucks on the wing.

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only if we could get a large improvment. which isnt going to happen.
Large improvement?Z is a top 20 d-man, you're not going to get a huge upgrade.

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