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07-24-2010, 11:19 AM
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Versus Top 10 Centers

I thought this was a list that was really out of order. I cant see how Malkin comes in at #6 and Backstrom at 9. Malkin is just slightly better than Mikko Koivu who is better than Backstrom? This guy needs to find a new job.


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07-24-2010, 11:24 AM
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I like this article......I don't agree with everything.....but at last...more then points matter

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07-24-2010, 11:54 AM
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Not just saying this as a Pens fan but how Mike Richards is above Malkin is beyond me. Richards is a good player, but that is taking intangibles WAY too far IMO.

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Pfff.

Isn't it obvious what Versus is doing? You make a list, make 3 or 4 ridiculously wrong and then force everyone to sign up with their personal info to tell the writer how wrong he is. This is a ploy to get readers / clicks. This article is a completely disingenuous attempt; if he really believes points 3, 7, 9 and 10, he has no business writing about hockey. You can't even make an argument that would quality as half-assed logic for some of these. Put this guy on that stupid post-game show where the four young people sit around and pretend to be "insiders" on all the issues. I guess it's better than Sports Soup (what an abortion).

How I'd rank them (more or less - it's pretty grey at some points):

1. Sid - don't think there's much arguing this one, given he has a lot of hardware not just numbers.
2. Datsyuk - I can go with this. Amazing skill on both sides of the ice, extremely consistent and clutch.
3. Richards - Another great two-way presence with top skills on both sides (ES, PP, PK). Sorry, it's true.
(Do I believe he is more talented? No ****ing way. Does he have a more consistent, all-around game? Yes.)
4. Geno - Had a mediocre year but what would he do if he was playing with [ANY of the wingers 2-3, 5-10 have??]
5. Toews - For his size, it's pretty amazing what he does... .
6. Backstrom - You could argue him anywhere between 4 and 6 IMO; only Cap I have big respect for.
7. Getzlaf - From the standpoint of a dominating physical presence and scorer, there are none better.
8. Sedin - A great player but let's see you dominate more than 1 season.
9. Thornton - Overrated and always has been IMO. Great playmaker but underachieves, doesn't lead.
10. Stamkos - Too young to be much higher but you have to put him on the list. WTF.


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07-24-2010, 11:55 AM
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I really don't understand when people call Malkin a floater. I've never seen him float. Sometimes he's a little aimless out there and maybe a little careless, but he always gives a solid effort. When he's putting up huge points or when it's not going his way, he always plays the same way.

A year ago he was unquestionably one of the top 3 forwards in the game, at worst. One down season and suddenly Mike Richards and Toews are better than him. Wake me up when those guys ever score 100 points.

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07-24-2010, 11:58 AM
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Malkin had a rough year, by his standards, and of course that's going to impact how people see his contributions on the ice.

And saying inflammatory **** is the golden rule of journalism. It works for starting wars, slandering political opponents, and getting hockey fans to flock to your site for more ad views.

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The questions on Malkin's defensive game are a farce. In the Cup year he led the league in take aways.

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Pfff.

Isn't it obvious what Versus is doing? You make a list, make 3 or 4 ridiculously wrong and then force everyone to sign up with their personal info to tell the writer how wrong he is. This is a ploy to get readers / clicks. This article is a completely disingenuous attempt; if he really believes points 3, 7, 9 and 10, he has no business writing about hockey. You can't even make an argument that would quality as half-assed logic for some of these. Put this guy on that stupid post-game show where the four young people sit around and pretend to be "insiders" on all the issues. I guess it's better than Sports Soup (what an abortion).

How I'd rank them (more or less - it's pretty grey at some points):

1. Sid - don't think there's much arguing this one, given he has a lot of hardware not just numbers.
2. Datsyuk - I can go with this. Amazing skill on both sides of the ice, extremely consistent and clutch.
3. Richards - Another great two-way presence with top skills on both sides (ES, PP, PK). Sorry, it's true.
(Do I believe he is more talented? No ****ing way. Does he have a more consistent, all-around game? Yes.)
4. Geno - Had a mediocre year but what would he do if he was playing with [ANY of the wingers 2-3, 5-10 have??]
5. Toews - For his size, it's pretty amazing what he does... .
6. Backstrom - You could argue him anywhere between 4 and 6 IMO; only Cap I have big respect for.
7. Getzlaf - From the standpoint of a dominating physical presence and scorer, there are none better.
8. Sedin - A great player but let's see you dominate more than 1 season.
9. Thornton - Overrated and always has been IMO. Great playmaker but underachieves, doesn't lead.
10. Stamkos - Too young to be much higher but you have to put him on the list. WTF.
I agree with yours 100% I was thinking Backstrom and Getzlaf were too low....Sedin and Koivu were too high

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The questions on Malkin's defensive game are a farce. In the Cup year he led the league in take aways.
A lot of people seem to be biased against him for some reason or another. A lot of his supposed shortcomings are the same things that get overlooked in other players. For example, people kill him for going into slumps and making turnovers but always give Sid the benefit of the doubt for the same offenses.

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Is Zetterberg not a center?

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I think it boils down to consistency. Malkin is a great defensive forward when the pressure is on, but during the season he always has lulls where his defensive game lapses for several games at a time. As for the floating comment I think that's wrong and another indication the writer is unqualified to comment. There's a difference between hustling and ending up out of position, and floating. Dany Heatley is a floater (to name one talented example). There's no comparison to what those two do and why they end up out of position at times.

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A lot of people seem to be biased against him for some reason or another. A lot of his supposed shortcomings are the same things that get overlooked in other players. For example, people kill him for going into slumps and making turnovers but always give Sid the benefit of the doubt for the same offenses.
Sid works his butt of every shift....Geno does not

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Is Zetterberg not a center?
Technically I think he plays LW as much as Center. The last couple years it's been jumbled up a bit with Franzen coming in there. Zetterberg is a top quality player, but given some of his skating deficiencies and other minor quibbles I probably would put him on the honorable mention list anyway.

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Agree with Geno's position in the rankings as an overall center, but Backstrom's slot at #9 is damn near insulting.

Backs is literally the only player on the Caps that I like and he should be top 3.

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A year ago Geno dominated the league in both the regular season and the playoffs. I don't know whats with the need to discredit him?

The only guys that should be ahead of him are Crosby and Datsyuk because along with the scoring they do bring better defensive games and faceoff wins. Not that Malkin is bad defensively because he is not.

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Not just saying this as a Pens fan but how Mike Richards is above Malkin is beyond me. Richards is a good player, but that is taking intangibles WAY too far IMO.
One word "hype"

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1. Sid
2. Geno
3. Backstrom
4a. Toews
4b. Datsyuk
6. Richards
7. Sedin
8. Getzlaf
9. Thornton
10. Stamkos


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Are people still suggesting Datsyuk is better than Malkin with a straight face? He pulls playoff disappearing acts and isn't even a top five offensive center at this point. I don't even want to get started on how Mike ****ing Richards, Henrik Sedin, and Jonathan Toews are better than Malkin.

The top three at this point are Crosby, Malkin, and Backstrom. Obligatorily, "it's not even close."

Malkin had 15 more points than Richards in 15 less games, even in the worst season of his career and playing with Ruslan Fedotenko and Max Talbot.

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Datsyuk is so friggin overrated. He plays with superior talent than Crosby and Malkin and is not even a top offensive center at this points. I like him as a player but to say he's the second best center in the NHL is a joke.

Also, arguably the best two way Russian forward in history? Fedorov?


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Are people still suggesting Datsyuk is better than Malkin with a straight face? He pulls playoff disappearing acts and isn't even a top five offensive center at this point. I don't even want to get started on how Mike ****ing Richards, Henrik Sedin, and Jonathan Toews are better than Malkin.

The top three at this point are Crosby, Malkin, and Backstrom. Obligatorily, "it's not even close."

Malkin had 15 more points than Richards in 15 less games, even in the worst season of his career and playing with Ruslan Fedotenko and Max Talbot.
But Richards is a great two way forward!!!1eleven.

Seriously... his defense is incredibly overrated.. I've never even been impressed with it. Toews has gotten very overrated, especially with the fact he has yet to 70 points.. I like him as a player but it's retarded to say he's close to Malkin.

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There's way too much wrong with the list for me to even begin dissecting it. Almost nobody is in the right place.

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Technically I think he plays LW as much as Center. The last couple years it's been jumbled up a bit with Franzen coming in there. Zetterberg is a top quality player, but given some of his skating deficiencies and other minor quibbles I probably would put him on the honorable mention list anyway.
Zetterberg is probably more of a natural center, but Babcock has played him a lot on Datsyuk's wing. I don't know if he's a top 10 center, but like you said, definitely worth an honorable mention, for being to Crosby what Kryptonite is to Superman, if for nothing else. Sorry. Couldn't resist. =)

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Wow - that might be the worst list ever compiled. Someone has a serious hard-on for Mike Richards.

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Are people still suggesting Datsyuk is better than Malkin with a straight face? He pulls playoff disappearing acts and isn't even a top five offensive center at this point. I don't even want to get started on how Mike ****ing Richards, Henrik Sedin, and Jonathan Toews are better than Malkin.

The top three at this point are Crosby, Malkin, and Backstrom. Obligatorily, "it's not even close."

Malkin had 15 more points than Richards in 15 less games, even in the worst season of his career and playing with Ruslan Fedotenko and Max Talbot.
To expand on why Richards isn't a top tier center, Jordan Staal has outscored him at even strength two years in a row including a substantial gap this season. Richards is a great center, but he's too much of a powerplay specialist and simply not a big enough factor at even strength. Putting him above Malkin requires a gross overrating of intangibles and two way ability. Same with Toews.

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