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07-30-2010, 11:45 AM
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If I don't know the fighters I just compare records, strength of schedule and style. Then make what I believe to be an informed decision...To bad people have control over their own lives and all that garbage

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07-30-2010, 01:24 PM
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I really, really have to question people who are picking Matyushenko to win this fight. I know it's fun picking underdogs but this is just absurd. If this fight stays on the feet, it's not even close. Jones moves likes a welterweight, and Vladdy moves like a heavyweight.

People are vastly under-rating Jones' wrestling as well. He is straight-up the better wrestler in the fight right now. His quickness to get away from the clinch and out of scrambles is as good as it gets in the LHW division.

Jones, TKO in the first. Vladdy will get swept, get smashed up from side control on the ground and cover up for dear life until the ref saves him.

The ONLY way I see Jones losing is if he gets careless and leaves an arm out for too long while he's in top control and ends up subbed in an armbar.

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07-30-2010, 01:42 PM
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I really, really have to question people who are picking Matyushenko to win this fight. I know it's fun picking underdogs but this is just absurd. If this fight stays on the feet, it's not even close. Jones moves likes a welterweight, and Vladdy moves like a heavyweight.

People are vastly under-rating Jones' wrestling as well. He is straight-up the better wrestler in the fight right now. His quickness to get away from the clinch and out of scrambles is as good as it gets in the LHW division.

Jones, TKO in the first. Vladdy will get swept, get smashed up from side control on the ground and cover up for dear life until the ref saves him.

The ONLY way I see Jones losing is if he gets careless and leaves an arm out for too long while he's in top control and ends up subbed in an armbar.
Have you ever seen Vladdy fight?
His only losses are to Arlovski, Ortiz, Vernon Tiger White, and Little Nog.
He's so well rounded that he could win in any number of ways. He's also much in the mold of Linland where he could grind out a decision win.
All that being said, I still think Bones can find a way to win.

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07-30-2010, 02:01 PM
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Why is that automatically the defense on this board when someone has a differing opinion.. "Have you even seen so and so fight?"

Yes, I've seen him fight. I haven't watched every single one of his fights, but I've seen a good amount of them. I'm aware of who he's fought and he's lost to, but thanks for the recap. I'm also aware that he hasn't beaten a relevant fighter in years, but you carefully left that out of your recap.

So why not tell me HOW you think he can win this fight instead of just analyzing his win-loss record? He's well-rounded.. really? Jon Jones is well-rounded too, and is better at almost every aspect of the game.

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07-30-2010, 02:22 PM
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Just saying that you think Bones could sweep Vladdy makes me think you don't know about Vladdy's full skill set.
I can see this turning into a Couture/Vera type fight. Except Vladdy will grind it out on the ground instead of against the cage.
No real need to freak out considering I still think Bones is going to win, I just don't think he's such a heavy underdog as you make it out to be.

Its not that absurd to pick a vet over a guy who has zero top 10 wins.

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07-30-2010, 02:38 PM
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I'm not freaking out, it's just insulting to hear someone throw out comments about 'not watching someone' fight and then backing it up by reading off a fightfinder directory of losses, give me a break. I don't need an MMA history lesson like a 10 year old kid. Like I said, I just wanted some actual reasons people had for thinking he could win.

Of course Matyushenko could win, anything can happen. I know he has the ability to ground and pound Jones out, or catch him with a sub on the ground. Jones' chin needs to be tested as well, and if he gets caught who knows what could happen. There are always ways for anyone to win a fight when you're talking about UFC calibre guys.

It's just frusterating to hear people talk about Matyushenko using his wrestling to win, when I don't think he's the better wrestler. I just want to know if people actually think he'll win the fight, or they're just picking him to be different and for the "I told you so!" afterwards.

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I'm not freaking out, it's just insulting to hear someone throw out comments about 'not watching someone' fight and then backing it up by reading off a fightfinder directory of losses, give me a break. I don't need an MMA history lesson like a 10 year old kid. Like I said, I just wanted some actual reasons people had for thinking he could win.

Of course Matyushenko could win, anything can happen. I know he has the ability to ground and pound Jones out, or catch him with a sub on the ground. Jones' chin needs to be tested as well, and if he gets caught who knows what could happen. There are always ways for anyone to win a fight when you're talking about UFC calibre guys.

It's just frusterating to hear people talk about Matyushenko using his wrestling to win, when I don't think he's the better wrestler. I just want to know if people actually think he'll win the fight, or they're just picking him to be different and for the "I told you so!" afterwards.
Fair enough, but, others, myself included, feel Matyushenko is the superior wrestler. I also feel that his loses strengthen his mental game. Jones will probably win, but I think the Janitor has a better chance at winning then most others.

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Fair enough, but, others, myself included, feel Matyushenko is the superior wrestler. I also feel that his loses strengthen his mental game. Jones will probably win, but I think the Janitor has a better chance at winning then most others.
That's cool, I can respect that. The wrestling will no doubt be a key to the fight. I hope Matyushenko can come out and put on a good fight, I'd love a 3 round back and forth war.

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Fair enough, but, others, myself included, feel Matyushenko is the superior wrestler. I also feel that his loses strengthen his mental game. Jones will probably win, but I think the Janitor has a better chance at winning then most others.
Worded perfectly.

Didn't mean to insult you mark

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Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko (tko) -- respect for Vladdy but I don't see him taking this fight
Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami (dec) -- Okami's boxing looked pretty good last fight and Munoz has gotten lit up a few times. On the other hand, Okami was badly outwrestled by Sonnen and Munoz is a good wrestler himself. Could go either way but I'll bet on the wrestling having the biggereffect.
Jake Ellenberger vs. John Howard (dec) -- another one that could go either way, but I've been just a little bit more impressed by Ellenberger's performances in the UFC than Howard's.
Takanori Gomi vs. Tyson Griffin (dec) -- nothing about any of Gomi's recent performances make me think he'll win this one.

PRELIMINARY CARD
Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann (dec)
DaMarques Johnson vs. Matthew Riddle (dec)
James Irvin vs. Igor Pokrajac -- not betting on a James Irvin fight, too much weird **** could happen
Mike Massenzio vs. Brian Stann (dec) -- wrestling
Darren Elkins vs. Charles Oliveira -- no idea
Rob Kimmons vs. Steve Steinbeiss (sub) -- Steinbeiss shouldn't be in the UFC

thanks for organizing this northstars

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Jones is an animal. I'd have a hard time betting against him on anyone. A great attitude to match his ability.

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MAIN CARD
Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko (tko) -- respect for Vladdy but I don't see him taking this fight
Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami (dec) -- Okami's boxing looked pretty good last fight and Munoz has gotten lit up a few times. On the other hand, Okami was badly outwrestled by Sonnen and Munoz is a good wrestler himself. Could go either way but I'll bet on the wrestling having the biggereffect.
Jake Ellenberger vs. John Howard (dec) -- another one that could go either way, but I've been just a little bit more impressed by Ellenberger's performances in the UFC than Howard's.
Takanori Gomi vs. Tyson Griffin (dec) -- nothing about any of Gomi's recent performances make me think he'll win this one.

PRELIMINARY CARD
Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann (dec)
DaMarques Johnson vs. Matthew Riddle (dec)
James Irvin vs. Igor Pokrajac -- not betting on a James Irvin fight, too much weird **** could happen
Mike Massenzio vs. Brian Stann (dec) -- wrestling
Darren Elkins vs. Charles Oliveira -- no idea
Rob Kimmons vs. Steve Steinbeiss (sub) -- Steinbeiss shouldn't be in the UFC

thanks for organizing this northstars
I actually agree with almost all of your picks and I think every single thing you posted here, really weird. The only fight I think will go differently will be Okami.. I think Munoz and his suspect chin will get TKO'd by Okami at some point.

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I get what your going with it and I sort of agree, but the argument is that the fights that aren't being picked are lowest of the prelims and both are fighters that most will know nothing about so at best they are just randomly guessing. I don't mind them not taking the risk while I do, considering its just for fun.
Exactly and that's why I only had made the prelims one point because you could argue they're less important and some of the fighters are definitely lesser known. So some people, myself included , would just throw up guesses on some fights. I don't think that shows anything so that's why I have the subtraction deal. If someone only picked the main card or only picked one or two prelims they probably wouldn't do very well besides.

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Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko (3 points)
Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami (2 points)
Jake Ellenberger vs. John Howard
Takanori Gomi vs. Tyson Griffin

PRELIMINARY CARD (1 point)
Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann
DaMarques Johnson vs. Matthew Riddle
James Irvin vs. Igor Pokrajac
Mike Massenzio vs. Brian Stann
Darren Elkins vs. Charles Oliveira
Rob Kimmons vs. Steve Steinbeiss

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Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann

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Is your pick Kelly?

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Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann
Is your pick Kelly?

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DeMarques Johnson weighs in at 172 so he'll have to cut some more weight.

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Is your pick Kelly?
Oops ,, yes Kelly, thanks !!

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Johnson could not make weight even with extra attempts so the bout will be contested as a catchweight and he will be fined 20% of his purse.

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Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko (3 points)
Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami (2 points)
Jake Ellenberger vs. John Howard
Takanori Gomi vs. Tyson Griffin

PRELIMINARY CARD (1 point)
Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann
DaMarques Johnson vs. Matthew Riddle
James Irvin vs. Igor Pokrajac

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1 more hour for picks.

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Looks like I'm too late to submit picks, but I think Gomi and Okami will both come out with wins. I also think Vladdy has a real shot at winning this.

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Matyushenko is +475 on Bodog. I think Jones beats him pretty easy but the odds are too crazy not to throw a few bucks on Vlad. Who knows what might happen.

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Shocked that Irvin lost. Normally wouldn't post an undercard spoiler. But. I'm shocked.

Sandman is done in the UFC for sure

Hopefully he can get back on track in Strikeforce.

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Shocked that Irvin lost. Normally wouldn't post an undercard spoiler. But. I'm shocked.

Sandman is done in the UFC for sure

Hopefully he can get back on track in Strikeforce.
Anderson just ruined the poor guy.

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