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Predictions: World Cup Rosters (to be held in 2013?)

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12-14-2010, 05:58 PM
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Tavares has shown his ability to put up decent numbers on a horrid team. We know that he can produce internationally, and can play the wing. Duchene has not shown he can play wing.
Actually, Tavares has not put up impressive numbers at all this year, (8g, 6a in 25 games.) He may not even match his rookie totals. Now, he is young enough to turn around his career and, for sure, he is playing in a bad situation. But the truth is that he is simply not as productive right now as a number of other young forwards, including Duchene. (11g, 19a in 30 games.) He is also not the quickest skater around, while some of his rivals for a Team Canada position, once again including Duchene, are very fast.

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Actually, Tavares has not put up impressive numbers at all this year, (8g, 6a in 25 games.) He may not even match his rookie totals. Now, he is young enough to turn around his career and, for sure, he is playing in a bad situation. But the truth is that he is simply not as productive right now as a number of other young forwards, including Duchene. (11g, 19a in 30 games.) He is also not the quickest skater around, while some of his rivals for a Team Canada position, once again including Duchene, are very fast.
JT now has 10 goals, 9 assists in 30 games . Not saying its great, but it leads his team, while Stewart, Stastney and Hejduk are all on par with Duchene in Colarado. Colorado has 6 players who have more points this season than Tavares (Ilses top player)

Tavares has no one to play with after Moulson (who has shown that he is a legit top 6 player, but still not a 1st liner). There is no legitimate PMD on the Isle, and they dont have Okposo.

Internationally, Tavares is a goal scoring machine. 4 goals at the 08 WJC as a 17 year old. 8 goals in 09, and 7 goals last year at the WC. I realize he isnt a great skater, but hes got good balance, and knows how to get himself open. Imagine a powerplay for Canada. Doughty and Kieth on the points, Crosby in front of the net, Stamkos on the left flank. JT fits just perfectly right on the right side of the net.

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12-24-2010, 09:27 PM
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JT now has 10 goals, 9 assists in 30 games . Not saying its great, but it leads his team, while Stewart, Stastney and Hejduk are all on par with Duchene in Colarado. Colorado has 6 players who have more points this season than Tavares (Ilses top player)

Tavares has no one to play with after Moulson (who has shown that he is a legit top 6 player, but still not a 1st liner). There is no legitimate PMD on the Isle, and they dont have Okposo.

Internationally, Tavares is a goal scoring machine. 4 goals at the 08 WJC as a 17 year old. 8 goals in 09, and 7 goals last year at the WC. I realize he isnt a great skater, but hes got good balance, and knows how to get himself open. Imagine a powerplay for Canada. Doughty and Kieth on the points, Crosby in front of the net, Stamkos on the left flank. JT fits just perfectly right on the right side of the net.


lets face it, alot of players havent been fleet of foot but have had great careers just knowing where to be and their shot and puck distribution was fantastic

brett hull was a big time point producer, not the best feet but put alot of pucks in

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Goalie
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Forwards
B Ryan-Stasny-Parise
Kane-Pavelski-Kessel
D Brown-Kesler-Malone
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12-30-2010, 09:41 PM
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Heatley - Crosby - Stamkos
Hall - Duchene - Eberle
Nash - Toews - Richards
Morrow - Tavares - Neal

Doughty - Weber
Keith - Seabrook
Staal - (Ryan) Ellis / Green

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12-31-2010, 05:59 AM
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Please, fix the thread title, the other thread didn't say there was going was going to be a World Cup in 2013, just that it would be in theory possible earliest then. In practice however, that year, is not likely either (CBA negotiations taking time from arranging the tournament and the closeness of the Olympics).

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Seems like this will be pushed back to 2014?

Haven't heard anything this year so....2016 perhaps?

I can't see it happen on an odd year..

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I think the value of this tournament is not clear anymore. Its held.. well, sometimes, not very clear when its held and its unsure how much would the victory of it mean to people. Aguess all nhl players would agree to take part of it(?), but still why would they hold it only 1 year before olympics? Better time would be 2016 for this.

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I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon. The olympics have replaced it, so unless the players can't go to sochi, I don't see it.

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At this point the tournament has lost just about any usefulness it may had at one time.

Due to several factors the World Cup doesn't seem to have a whole lot of credibility left. One of the big issues is it only seems to be held when the NHL & NHLPA (another being it is an international tournament sactioned/ran by a independent pro league/union) can be bothered enough to put any effort into organizing it. When the organizers don't seem to care all that much why would anyone else?

I am not even sure at this point if Canada would even be all that excited if it was to be held again. Not to mention Europe where it didn't really seem to have a whole lot of credibility or create all that much interest to begin with.

As a tournament with any type of prestige or relevence it seems to be pretty much unsalvagable.

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Not to mention Europe where it didn't really seem to have a whole lot of credibility or create all that much interest to begin with.
Its Europes World Championships.

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At this point the tournament has lost just about any usefulness it may had at one time.

Due to several factors the World Cup doesn't seem to have a whole lot of credibility left. One of the big issues is it only seems to be held when the NHL & NHLPA (another being it is an international tournament sactioned/ran by a independent pro league/union) can be bothered enough to put any effort into organizing it. When the organizers don't seem to care all that much why would anyone else?

I am not even sure at this point if Canada would even be all that excited if it was to be held again. Not to mention Europe where it didn't really seem to have a whole lot of credibility or create all that much interest to begin with.

As a tournament with any type of prestige or relevence it seems to be pretty much unsalvagable.
I doubt that. If you put the Canada's best team out there the country will get into it. Considering you only get to see best on best international hockey for two weeks every four years, it'd be nice to get this tournament back as part of a two year cycle between the Olympics and World Cup.

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I doubt that. If you put the Canada's best team out there the country will get into it. Considering you only get to see best on best international hockey for two weeks every four years, it'd be nice to get this tournament back as part of a two year cycle between the Olympics and World Cup.
Ya you are right people would watch and follow another WC/CC because the event includes hockey and jerseys with red maple leafs on the front.

I guess I was comparing the interest, hype, excitement, etc of the last WC/CC generated to what the Olympic tournament generates. The difference in excitement surrounding Canada's Olympic wins in '02 & '10 and the WC win in '04 was huge. Admittedly you could probably argue that the enjoyment of the tournament was somewhat muted by the fact the lockout was starting within hours of the final game ending.

As the last 4 Olympics have shown 'best-vs-best' international hockey is great and has the potential to be even better. It's sort of frustrating that it's limited to a one short 10 day tournament every 4 years and another tournament (with IMHO tons of flaws that impacts its credibility) held every 3 or 4 or 5 or 8 or ??? years.

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Ya you are right people would watch and follow another WC/CC because the event includes hockey and jerseys with red maple leafs on the front.

I guess I was comparing the interest, hype, excitement, etc of the last WC/CC generated to what the Olympic tournament generates. The difference in excitement surrounding Canada's Olympic wins in '02 & '10 and the WC win in '04 was huge. Admittedly you could probably argue that the enjoyment of the tournament was somewhat muted by the fact the lockout was starting within hours of the final game ending.

As the last 4 Olympics have shown 'best-vs-best' international hockey is great and has the potential to be even better. It's sort of frustrating that it's limited to a one short 10 day tournament every 4 years and another tournament (with IMHO tons of flaws that impacts its credibility) held every 3 or 4 or 5 or 8 or ??? years.
Yes the tournament has been mismanaged badly. It's nearly twenty years ago but I remember palpable excitement to the 1996 version of it and certainly the Canada Cups were incredibly important. Of course a huge factor of that was that it was the only real international best on best game in town. The 2004 tournament was just a huge bummer because we all knew this was the last hockey we were going to see for awhile and everyone was just down on it. Of course it didn't generate the biggest hype in Canada because Canada had finally ended it's Olympic gold drought only two years earlier. It's tough to compare 2004 to 02 and 2010 for that reason and the fact that 2010 was on home soil. Yes the Olympics are bigger, but the Canadian hockey team is a national institution. Considering how absolutely bat **** crazy Canada goes just for its U-20 team, I have no doubt they'd go nuts to see the boys go out best on best more than once every four years.

Plus it'd be lovely to see the US take an international tournament other than the Olympics seriously at the senior level.

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Really old thread, plus OT. Closed for now.

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