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Penguins #4 prospect - RUNOFF

View Poll Results: Who is the Penguins' #4 prospect? For real this time!
Dustin Jeffrey 57 47.90%
Keven Veilleux 62 52.10%
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07-25-2010, 06:11 PM
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Penguins #4 prospect - RUNOFF

Now you've done it. Jeffrey and Veilleux ended up on the #4 poll within 1 vote of each other, prompting a "too close to call" and an extra round. Closing in 24 hours. Winner will be #4, loser will be #5, next full poll will be for #6.

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07-25-2010, 06:37 PM
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I went with Jeffrey. Jeffrey has shown he can preform in a limited role. Veilleux seems to me more flash but has yet to show anything in pro hockey.

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07-25-2010, 06:37 PM
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07-25-2010, 06:40 PM
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07-25-2010, 06:41 PM
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When rating prospects, i go by upside, and Veilleux has the most, boom or bust, but still.

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07-25-2010, 07:02 PM
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07-25-2010, 07:03 PM
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I went with Jeffrey. Jeffrey has shown he can preform in a limited role. Veilleux seems to me more flash but has yet to show anything in pro hockey.
This.

Injury curtailed his season. And his short stint was not outstanding. So a real project coming off an injury season, and basically coming into his first pro season, or a guy that has done decent in the A. (and I am not even that high on Jeffrey, other than he looks like he can be a fringe player in the NHL.)

Wow, KV stock really seemed to rise with the comment that he looked like he actually worked out during the off season. and came to prospect camp with a renewed attitude. That is encouraging, but doesn't mean too much to me until I see how he actually does in WBS.

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07-25-2010, 07:10 PM
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When rating prospects, i go by upside, and Veilleux has the most, boom or bust, but still.
Same, I just cant get excited and rank a guy over another when that caliber player can be had for around 1.0 mill a year on the UFA market.

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07-25-2010, 07:12 PM
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Jeffrey

There's no guarantees Veilleux can even hold down a solid roster spot at the pro level, much less crack the Pens roster..

Not to mention, even Google knows this guy is injury prone as all hell.

I tried searching for him and look what popped up.


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07-25-2010, 07:23 PM
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When rating prospects, i go by upside, and Veilleux has the most, boom or bust, but still.
I don't even know if he's boom or bust. I don't see him as a top 6 or nothing type of guy, especially if he has found a physical edge and uses his size more effectively like some have said he has.

He'd be at worst a 3rd line center on this team, IMO.

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07-25-2010, 07:31 PM
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Wonder what everyone would think about Veilleux if he just had a 71 point AHL season.

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07-25-2010, 07:31 PM
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I love Jeffrey...but guys like him are a kroner a dozen in the NHL and he'll likely be a journeyman unless he wants to make peanuts his entire career.

Veilleux has top six potential and could be a third liner if that fails if he adapts to his size...its all a matter of if he can stay healthy at this point.

For the record my money is not on Veilleux making it to his potential, but he still has a chance on that. Jeffrey...I love the guy but he's the very definition of unspectacular...but teams like us need guys like him constantly in the pipeline...I just have to go for potential over safety at this point.


Its kind of funny since Veilleux to me seems to be almost the forgotten prospect, yet he could still end up #4 on our list. Almost no one ever pencils him into future line-ups, but half of this board remains enamored with his potential. Even for a boom/bust type that's odd.


If he took his missed season the way all the reports seem to (the question that has dogged him longer than injuries was his devotion to the game, that question seems to have dissipated a bit with the shape he turned up to in prospect camp) then Veilleux may have a chance...if his bones can stay together. We won't really know how serious he is about this whole character shift until he starts playing some games.

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07-25-2010, 08:33 PM
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Wonder what everyone would think about Veilleux if he just had a 71 point AHL season.
This

Jeffrey certainly lacks the shininess of Veileux but the guy just had an all-star year in the AHL. That seems to be getting lost unless people consider Jeffrey and AHL superstar that can't put it together at the next level ala Chris Bourque but I feel its too early to make that determination the way it seemingly is made. He's only 22!

I don't doubt that one day Veileux could pass Jeffrey but its hard to look past the season that he just had. Also when you add to that Veileux's only 39 regular season games the past two seasons it becomes even more clear in my mind.

At this point in their career's I'll go with the guy who's shown he can play in the AHL than the sexy pick who can't stay healthy and is atleast an entire season behind some of his peers.

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07-25-2010, 08:58 PM
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At this point in their career's I'll go with the guy who's shown he can play in the AHL than the sexy pick who can't stay healthy and is atleast an entire season behind some of his peers.
The problem with that is guys like Toby Petersen can put up 70 points in the AHL, too. Prospect evaluation is more about the projection of a skill set than the interpolation of statistical production. Veilleux putting up 70 points at the AHL level would have a different meaning than Jeffrey's past season did.

I think they're very even and the poll shows it. Veilleux is the unproven boom-bust guy who has shown flashes and Jeffrey is the safe pick with a lesser skill-set but a more consistent game that is far more likely to get him to the NHL.

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I vote Jeffrey.

That may seem hypocritical, considering I argued for Bennett at #3 based on upside, but Veilleux was drafted in '07. He's been livin' on potential - with questions about his dedication to the sport - for 3 years.

He's not at square one like Bennett - he's got a reputation to live down at this point.

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Agreed but the thing Jeffrey has going for him that Toby Petersen doesn't is his age.

Jeffrey, at age 22, came in 13th in AHL scoring only one of 3 players under 25 to score over 70 points all while transitioning to a new position.

I understand the ceiling argument I just think that right now by coming off the season Jeffrey has and coming off two injury-plagued years that Veilleux has that Jeffrey deserves the nod.

Either way I'm glad an argument can be made for both players and hopefully Veilleux can stay healthy this year and make me look like an idiot for arguing against him.

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07-25-2010, 09:38 PM
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I'd give Jeffrey a roster spot sooner but I believe Veilleux would be more valuable in the long term.

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Wow this thing is not getting any easier to find a winner.

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07-25-2010, 10:33 PM
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Depends on how you look at it..

Jeffrey is the much safer pick to be guarenteed an NHL career.

However Veilleux, has more potential upside, but has a lot more of a chance to not make the NHL.

Jeffrey will make it unless some injury shows up in his future, he's got offensive tools to contribute, and a game that puts him nicely on the 3rd line.

For me the question comes down to adding the odds of Veilleux becoming a 2nd line player instead of settling for a 3rd line player, plus the risk of him becoming nothing at all.. putting all that together I put Jeffrey ahead. IF Veilleux maxes out, i don't see him putting a huge enough margin between their effectiveness with the Penguins, to make the risk worth the reward in terms of Veilleux being over Jeffrey. Just my perspective

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I guarantee...guarantee that Veilleux will be in the line up in 2011. He's our Tangradi of 11, trust.


Wait and see.

Guys like Jeffrey, Johnson, etc..will get their call ups but I just don't see them sticking unless we decide to replace guys like Talbot, Kennedy, etc..with them. But Veilleux is on a different level than them.

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Pretty crazy how close this poll is.

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Pretty crazy how close this poll is.
even crazier its a tie now

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07-26-2010, 01:30 AM
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I'm a bit baffled that we're doing a run-off poll between Veilleux and Jeffery as our #4 ranked prospect. But whatever, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

But I'll go with Veilleux with this poll. Yes Jeffery had a very good productive season last year in the AHL, but I don't think it's anything to get carried away with. A lot of players can dominate the AHL but can't do jack **** in the NHL. Though I sure hope Jeffery can find a role in Penguins roster (doubt it would be in the top 6) I feel Johnson & Veilleux have displayed a lot more tools and skills which I deem more valuable than Jeffery's performance in the AHL. Now just stay healthy and work your magic Veilleux, damnit!

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since it is soo close, I am now curious to see what everyone else thinks on these boards. I wouldnt mind running a poll on the main boards and seeing what other people from other teams think of DJ and KV

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Jeffery's upside is limited, while Viellieux's is decently high. I'll take KV.

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