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06-27-2004, 02:24 PM
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Goaltenders

Already in the NHL/AHL

Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta)
Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)
Ari Ahonen -81 (New Jersey)


Still in Finland/Juniors

Teemu Lassila, TPS -83 (Nashville)
Tuomas Nissinen, Assat -83 (St.Louis)
Joni Puurula, HPK -82 (Montreal)
Mikael Vuorio, Lukko -84 (Florida)
Matti Kaltiainen, NCAA -82 (Boston)
Eero Kilpelainen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)
Ville Hostikka, ? -85 (Philadelphia)
Karri Ramo, Pelicans -86 (Tampa Bay)
Pekka Rinne, Karpat -82 (Nashville)
Antti Jokela, ? -81 (Carolina)


Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Tuukka Rask, Ilves -87 (1 Round)
Jani Nieminen, HIFK -87
Tero Parkkinen, K-67 -87
Juha Toivonen, HPK -87
Aleksis Ahlqvist, JYP -86


2006 Eligible

Jesse Kosonen, TPS -87
Niko Hovinen, Jokerit -88


Defensemen

Already in the NHL/AHL

Joni Pitkanen -83 (Philadelphia)
Lasse Kukkonen -81 (Chicago)
Juha Alen -81 (Anaheim)
Mikko Viitanen -82 (Colorado)
Teemu Kesa, -81 (New Jersey)


Still in Finland/Juniors

Jyri Marttinen, JYP -82 (Calgary)
Mikko Kalteva, Jokerit -84 (Colorado)
Kevin Kantee, Jokerit -84 (Chicago)
Sami Lepisto, Jokerit -84 (Washington)
Janne Niskala, Lukko -81 (Nashville)
Tuukka Mantyla, Lulea/Sweden -81 (Los Angeles)
Topi Jaakola, Karpat -83 (Florida)
Olli Malmivaara, Saipa -82 (Chicago)
Tuukka Makela, HPK -82 (Boston)
Teemu Jaaskelainen, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
Oskari Korpikari, Karpat -84 (Montreal)
Tero Maatta, -82 Blues (San Jose)
Ville Mantymaa, Tappara -85 (Anaheim)
Jaakko Harikkala, Lukko -81 (Boston)
Jussi Timonen, Saipa -83 (Philadelphia)
Markus Seikola, TPS -82 (Toronto)
Niko Vainio, Jokerit -85 (Dallas)
Arto Tukio, Frölunda/Sweden -81 (Ny Islanders)


Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Teemu Laakso, HIFK -87 (1 Round)
Risto Korhonen, Karpat -86 (1 Round)
Erkka Leppanen, JYP -86 (1-3 Round)
Timo Seppanen, HIFK -87
Joni Haverinen, HIFK -87
Juho Mielonen, Ilves -87
Tomi Tuomainen, Kalpa -87
Tommi Leinonen, Karpat -87
Rony Ahonen, HIFK -87
Lari Virkki, HPK -87
Mikko Kuukka, Red Deer -86
Tuomas Gardstrom, Kookoo -86


2006 Eligible

Juha-Petteri Purolinna, HIFK -88
Robert Tenhunen, HIFK -88
Antti Savolainen, Ilves -88
Ville Kymalainen, Tappara -88


Forwards

Already in the NHL/AHL

Tuomo Ruutu -83 (Chicago)
Mikko Koivu, -83 (Minnesota)
Sean Bergenheim -84 (NY Islanders)
Jani Rita -81 (Edmonton)
Tony Salmelainen -81 (Edmonton)
Tuomas Pihlman -82 (New Jersey)
Ilkka Pikkarainen -81 (New Jersey)
Janne Jokila, ECHL -82 (Columbus)


Still in Finland/Juniors

Lauri Tukonen, Blues -86 (Los Angeles)
Petteri Nokelainen, Saipa -86 (Ny Islanders)
Lauri Korpikoski, TPS -86 (Ny Rangers)
Jussi Jokinen, Karpat -83 (Dallas)
Jesse Niinimaki, Ilves -83 (Edmonton)
Jarkko Immonen, JYP -82 (NY Rangers)
Valtteri Filppula, Jokerit -84 (Detroit)
Masi Marjamaki, Moose Jaw -85 (Boston)
Aki Seitsonen, Prince Albert -86 (Calgary)
Pasi Salonen, Pelicans -85 (Washigton)
Lennart Petrell, HIFK -84 (Columbus)
Janne Pesonen, Karpat -82 (Anaheim)
Joonas Vihko, HIFK -81 (Anaheim)
Tomi Maki, Jokerit -83 (Calgary)
Arsi Piispanen, JYP -85 (Columbus)
Valtteri Tenkanen, JYP -85 (Los Angeles)
Miikka Tuomainen, Tuto -86 (Atlanta)
Petri Kontiola, Tappara -85 (Chicago)
Marko Anttila, Ilves -85 (Chicago)
Kim Hirschovits, HIFK -82 (Ny Rangers)
Sami Venalainen, Tappara -81 (Phoenix)
Tuomas Mikkonen, JYP -83 (Dallas)
Teemu Laine, Tappara -82 (New Jersey)
Arttu Luttinen, HIFK -83 (Ottawa)
Joni Lindlof, Tappara -84 (Washington)
Jarkko A. Immonen, Blues -84 (Dallas)
Tommi Jaminki, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
Ossi Louhivaara, JYP -83 (Ottawa)
Juhamatti Aaltonen, Karpat -85 (St. Louis)
Tuukka Pulliainen, TPS -84 (Los Angeles)
Henrik Juntunen, Karpat -83 (Los Angeles)
Toni Koivisto, Lukko -82 (Florida)
Karri Akkanen, Tappara -84 (Tampa Bay)
Juha-Pekka Ketola, ? -83 (Ny Islanders)
Samu Isosalo, Lukko -81 (Atlanta)


Not yet drafted

2005 Eligible

Miika Lahti, JYP -87 (1 Round)
Perttu Lindgren, Ilves -87
Matti Huilla, Ilves -86
Mikko Lehtonen, Blues -87
Sami-Petteri Sandell, Ilves -87
Joona Karevaara, HPK -87
Miika Varjonen, Tuto -87
Jussi Peltomaa, Assat -87
Tuomas Huhtanen, Assat -87
Mika Halava, Assat -87
Antti Holli, Ilves -87
Antti Ruokonen, Saipa -87
Janne Kolehmainen, Saipa -86
Jarmo Jokila, TPS -86
Petteri Wirtanen, HPK -86
Tommi Laine, TPS -86
Jesse Uronen, Jokerit -86
Antti Jaatinen, Tappara -86


2006 Eligible

Jesse Joensuu, Assat -87 (1 Round)
Oskar Osala, Sport -87 (1-2 Round)
Jonas Enlund, HIFK -87 (1-3 Round)
Robert Nyholm, HIFK -88 (1-3 Round)
Teemu Ramsted, HIFK -87
Tommi Huhtala, Ilves -87
Teemu Mustaniemi, HIFK -87
Taneli Jaatinen, Ilves -88
Pasi Tuominen, Ilves -88
Kai Kantola Pelicans -87
Tommi Leinonen, Karpat -87
Juha Ruohomaa, Assat -87


If there is some player who missing that list then tell me and if he is decent player i maybe put him on the list.

I changed those list and there ís now all finnish drafted 81' or later born players so i take every 80' born players out of that list.


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06-27-2004, 09:01 PM
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Loa Angeles has 5 players on that list:
Tuuka Mantyla
Lauri Tukonen
Valtteri Tenkanen
Henrik Juntunen
Tuukka Pulliainen
How would you rate them in terms of talent and potential, and do you see any of them to be NHL contributers in the future? Thanks

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06-27-2004, 11:15 PM
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Stars also have 5 there:

Eero Kilpelainen(G)
Niko Vainio(D)
Jussi Jokinen(F)
Tuomas Mikkonen(F)
Jarkko A. Immonen(F)

Same question as Elvi; What kind of talent/potential does each have, and what do you see the max potential/production being? Also, what do you realistically see them doing in their careers? Thanks.

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06-28-2004, 02:01 AM
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Loa Angeles has 5 players on that list:
Tuuka Mantyla
Lauri Tukonen
Valtteri Tenkanen
Henrik Juntunen
Tuukka Pulliainen
How would you rate them in terms of talent and potential, and do you see any of them to be NHL contributers in the future? Thanks
Mäntylä is a mini-sized offensive d-man. Even with guys like Timonen and Zidlicky making the jump I can't see Mäntylä ever playing in the NHL. Mäntylä is a scrapper, kind of like a little terrier hanging onto your leg in his own end. A very good playmaker and passer, good rusher.

Tukonen is the genuine artifact. An all-rounder. He's three-four years ahead of the learning curve when comparing with a "normal" Finnish youngster. He was playing Tier II at 15, SM-liiga at 17. For anyone else but the brightest of future stars you could add those four years to those numbers. Strong, skilled, fast. Not a 100pt. producer but a solid 1st-2nd liner with good point production, more goals than assists.

Juntunen is a long shot. He's stuck as a 3rd-4th liner and I don't see any progress. Decent size but doesn't use it or play physical. Not enough skill or a scorer's touch to play on the higher lines.

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Mäntylä is a mini-sized offensive d-man. Even with guys like Timonen and Zidlicky making the jump I can't see Mäntylä ever playing in the NHL. Mäntylä is a scrapper, kind of like a little terrier hanging onto your leg in his own end. A very good playmaker and passer, good rusher.

Tukonen is the genuine artifact. An all-rounder. He's three-four years ahead of the learning curve when comparing with a "normal" Finnish youngster. He was playing Tier II at 15, SM-liiga at 17. For anyone else but the brightest of future stars you could add those four years to those numbers. Strong, skilled, fast. Not a 100pt. producer but a solid 1st-2nd liner with good point production, more goals than assists.

Juntunen is a long shot. He's stuck as a 3rd-4th liner and I don't see any progress. Decent size but doesn't use it or play physical. Not enough skill or a scorer's touch to play on the higher lines.
Thank you very much. Mantyla came over for a prospects weekend and showed a ton of skill but just wayyy too small to be effective. I wonder if he could play wing? Thanks again.

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Finnish TOP 45.

I make TOP 45 list drafted finnish player swho has born 83' or later.

1. Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta)
2. Lauri Tukonen, Blues -86 (Los Angeles)
3. Mikko Koivu, -83 (Minnesota)
4. Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)
5. Petteri Nokelainen, Saipa -86 (Ny Islanders)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, TPS -86 (Ny Rangers)
7. Sean Bergenheim -84 (NY Islanders)
8. Jesse Niinimaki, Ilves -83 (Edmonton)
9. Jussi Jokinen, Karpat -83 (Dallas)
10. Valtteri Filppula, Jokerit -84 (Detroit)
11. Teemu Lassila, TPS -83 (Nashville)
12. Masi Marjamaki, Moose Jaw -85 (Boston)
13. Sami Lepisto, Jokerit -84 (Washington)
14. Aki Seitsonen, Prince Albert -86 (Calgary)
15. Pasi Salonen, Pelicans -85 (Washigton)
16. Tuomas Nissinen, Assat -83 (St.Louis)
17. Kevin Kantee, Jokerit -84 (Chicago)
18. Arsi Piispanen, JYP -85 (Columbus)
19. Lennart Petrell, HIFK -84 (Columbus)
20. Ville Mantymaa, Tappara -85 (Anaheim)
21. Mikko Kalteva, Jokerit -84 (Colorado)
22. Oskari Korpikari, Karpat -84 (Montreal)
23. Petri Kontiola, Tappara -85 (Chicago)
24. Tomi Maki, Jokerit -83 (Calgary)
25. Teemu Jaaskelainen, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
26. Jarkko A. Immonen, Blues -84 (Dallas)
27. Topi Jaakola, Karpat -83 (Florida)
28. Valtteri Tenkanen, JYP -85 (Los Angeles)
29. Mikael Vuorio, Lukko -84 (Florida)
30. Juha-matti Aaltonen, Karpat -85 (St. Louis)
31. Henrik Juntunen, Karpat -83 (Los Angeles)
32. Tuomas Mikkonen, JYP -83 (Dallas)
33. Miikka Tuomainen, Tuto -86 (Atlanta)
34. Tommi Jaminki, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
35. Karri Ramo, Pelicans -86 (Tampa Bay)
36. Karri Akkanen, Tappara -84 (Tampa Bay)
37. Jussi Timonen, Saipa -83 (Philadelphia)
38. Ossi Louhivaara, JYP -83 (Ottawa)
39. Arttu Luttinen, HIFK -83 (Ottawa)
40. Marko Anttila, Ilves -85 (Chicago)
41. Ville Hostikka, ? -85 (Philadelphia)
42. Eero Kilpelainen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)
43. Juha-Pekka Ketola, ? -83 (Ny Islanders)
44. Tuukka Pulliainen, TPS -84 (Los Angeles)
45. Niko Vainio, Jokerit -85 (Dallas)


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06-29-2004, 03:05 PM
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With Tukonen, Nokelainen, Korpikoski, Koivu, Jokinen, Miettinen, Bergenheim, Immonen, Filppula, Niinimäki, Pihlman, Marjamäki, Seitsonen and Salonen Finland has impressive depth up front despite being starved for top-line-bound forwards. I like to think Kiprusoff's breakout was a result of Finland flooding the continent with goalies, that was bound to happen to some Finn. Here's hoping the same happens among these guys eventually.

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I make TOP 45 list drafted finnish player swho has born 83' or later.

1. Kari Lehtonen -83 (Atlanta)
2. Lauri Tukonen, Blues -86 (Los Angeles)
3. Mikko Koivu, -83 (Minnesota)
4. Hannu Toivonen -84 (Boston)
5. Petteri Nokelainen, Saipa -86 (Ny Islanders)
6. Lauri Korpikoski, TPS -86 (Ny Rangers)
7. Sean Bergenheim -84 (NY Islanders)
8. Jesse Niinimaki, Ilves -83 (Edmonton)
9. Jussi Jokinen, Karpat -83 (Dallas)
10. Valtteri Filppula, Jokerit -84 (Detroit)
11. Teemu Lassila, TPS -83 (Nashville)
12. Masi Marjamaki, Moose Jaw -85 (Boston)
13. Sami Lepisto, Jokerit -84 (Washington)
14. Aki Seitsonen, Prince Albert -86 (Calgary)
15. Pasi Salonen, Pelicans -85 (Washigton)
16. Tuomas Nissinen, Assat -83 (St.Louis)
17. Kevin Kantee, Jokerit -84 (Chicago)
18. Arsi Piispanen, JYP -85 (Columbus)
19. Lennart Petrell, HIFK -84 (Columbus)
20. Ville Mantymaa, Tappara -85 (Tampa Bay)
21. Mikko Kalteva, Jokerit -84 (Colorado)
22. Oskari Korpikari, Karpat -84 (Montreal)
23. Petri Kontiola, Tappara -85 (Chicago)
24. Tomi Maki, Jokerit -83 (Calgary)
25. Teemu Jaaskelainen, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
26. Jarkko A. Immonen, Blues -84 (Dallas)
27. Topi Jaakola, Karpat -83 (Florida)
28. Valtteri Tenkanen, JYP -85 (Los Angeles)
29. Mikael Vuorio, Lukko -84 (Florida)
30. Juha-matti Aaltonen, Karpat -85 (St. Louis)
31. Henrik Juntunen, Karpat -83 (Los Angeles)
32. Tuomas Mikkonen, JYP -83 (Dallas)
33. Miikka Tuomainen, Tuto -86 (Atlanta)
34. Tommi Jaminki, Ilves -83 (Chicago)
35. Karri Ramo, Pelicans -86 (Tampa Bay)
36. Karri Akkanen, Tappara -84 (Tampa Bay)
37. Jussi Timonen, Saipa -83 (Philadelphia)
38. Ossi Louhivaara, JYP -83 (Ottawa)
39. Arttu Luttinen, HIFK -83 (Ottawa)
40. Marko Anttila, Ilves -85 (Chicago)
41. Ville Hostikka, ? -85 (Philadelphia)
42. Eero Kilpelainen, Kalpa -85 (Dallas)
43. Juha-Pekka Ketola, ? -83 (Ny Islanders)
44. Tuukka Pulliainen, TPS -84 (Los Angeles)
45. Niko Vainio, Jokerit -85 (Dallas)

how about Tuomo Ruutu? Is miettinen born after 83?

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Is miettinen born after 83?
Miettinen was born in 1980.

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Miettinen was born in 1980.

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how about Tuomo Ruutu? Is miettinen born after 83?
I think he meant prospects... there's no Joni Pitkänen either

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Toivonen, Lassila and Jokinen past Mikko Koivu..
then Jesse Joensuu and Tuukka Rask past Koivu as well, or why is it 83-86 only??

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Finland has many prospective forwards and goalies too. There is also few good d-men coming but do they haw good stay-at-home-defencemen or hardhitting and though d-men like in 87 or 88 borned players? Finland has always had offensive- defencemen like Janne Niinimaa or Kimmo Timonen but not very good stay-at-homers. So do you think there is any big, though, mean, maybe nasty goodhitting defensivewizards coming? They are wanted in NHL and all the way in europe. So if anyone knows any open your mouths and say it please thanks

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Hehe, yes I am. Well, at least half finnish.
I think all those finnish defeats during two decades have made me a bit of a pessimist. I've felt too much pain and misery for always hoping so much, but then watch Finland lose once again.



I'm not saying Finlands future is bad, because it is bright! I'm very confident that in 10 years Finland will be as strong as Swe, Cze, Rus and the US, because everything points to that. But I guess I'm a bit impatient because the wait has been so long... and there are still three big tournaments (2 world cups and one olympics) ahead of us before we are there.

And I'm not saying the swedish league is any better than SM-liiga. What I always count in as a factor though when judging prospects, is that for some strange reason finnish players don't seem to reach their NHL-potential as well as the players from other nations. I'm not sure what it is, if it's a mental thing or what (lack of winner instinct? not enough confidence? the finnish curse?), but history keeps repeating itself. You always see swedes like Daniel Alfredsson, P-J Axelsson, Magnus Arvedsson, Fredrik Modin, Andreas Johansson, Nils Ekman, Thomas Holmström, and Henrik Zetterberg (guys that were drafted late) popping up from nowhere (most of them haven't even dominated in the SEL), surprising everybody and becoming great players. But with finns it's the other way around. This is a phenomenon I've observed during the last 10-12 years.

That's why I think that even though most people regard the swedish prospects as weaker than the finnish ones, Sweden will still be just as good (both in terms of NHL representation and in the tournaments), because their prospects develop better. Most people aren't aware of that factor (and probably aren't willing to realize there is).
How do you expect people to take you seroiusly when you're calling guys like Arvedsson, Johansson, Holmström and Ekman?? great players?

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How do you expect people to take you seroiusly when you're calling guys like Arvedsson, Johansson, Holmström and Ekman?? great players?
Holmström is pretty solid... those others are weak.

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What can any of you tell me about Juhamatti Tapio Aaltonen?

Seems to be quite the goal-scorer (49 goals in the last two Finnish junior seasons). How's his skating, stickhandling, physical play, etc.?

Any information will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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What about 17 yr old dman Riku Korpanean (sp)?

He is coming here to play this upcoming season, (PEI of the Q) and just wondering if their is any info on him.

Thanks.

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Why is Jokinen ranked so low?

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Stars also have 5 there:

Eero Kilpelainen(G)
Niko Vainio(D)
Jussi Jokinen(F)
Tuomas Mikkonen(F)
Jarkko A. Immonen(F)

Same question as Elvi; What kind of talent/potential does each have, and what do you see the max potential/production being? Also, what do you realistically see them doing in their careers? Thanks.
Anyone answer?

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Anyone answer?
I can asnwer about Mikkonen. His last season was a dissappointment. He can hit good but that's about all. His first season showed promise of a lot more but the second was bad. He didn't score the amount of goals that was expected, no good passes, pretty much all he did was tackled some guys to the boards and even that he didn't enough. He seemed to lack the passion to play 100% every shift.

His stats for last season were: 43 games 5+3=8 -12 8PIM. Not good. He played alot in the second and third line. The bottom line, he has to find his passion to play 100% again or it's bye, bye imo.

IMO Jarkko A. Immonen is the best prospect of the bunch, but I haven't seen other guys enough than Mikkonen to make my final judgement.

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Why is Jokinen ranked so low?
He doesnt have an older brother in the NHL, he wasnt a high 1st rounder, and he's a Stars prospect

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He doesnt have an older brother in the NHL, he wasnt a high 1st rounder, and he's a Stars prospect
Or maybe, just maybe he isn't that good to be higher than he is now.

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Or maybe, just maybe he isn't that good to be higher than he is now.
But Koivu, who he has outproduced each year since their draft year, deserves to be #3?

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Originally Posted by Chaos
But Koivu, who he has outproduced each year since their draft year, deserves to be #3?
No. I'd rather see him much lower as I would see Jokinen. I would also like to see Marjamäki higher and others too. I don't totally agree with that list but there are few players in the most likely position.

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How do you expect people to take you seroiusly when you're calling guys like Arvedsson, Johansson, Holmström and Ekman?? great players?
Well, of course "great" isn't the right word. It would have been enough if I had said "decent" or "solid" players to prove my point. What I meant is, and I'm sure you understood that, was that these guys developed much better than expected, much better than their finnish counterparts that also were drafted low.

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