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07-29-2010, 08:36 AM
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Happening in Hartford

The purpose of this thread is to update the Business of Hockey World on the happenings in the Hartford Hockey Market.

As you are aware Howard Baldwin is back with the intent of having an NHL Franchise back in the city. To that end he is working on obtaining management control of the Hartford AHL Franchise and renaming it the Connecticut Whalers. He has opened Whalers Sports & Entertainment, leased office space, and hired numerous marketing and staff personnel, many with deep NHL experience.

He is organizing a Whalers Fan Fest this August and is also working on a 10 day Outdoor Hockey Event in February. The outdoor event will include a game between members of the 1986 NHL All Star Game and Hollywood All Stars. It would also have a a game between Hartford Whalers Alumni and Boston Bruins Alumni. This is all being done with the blessing of the NHL.

Here are two links to WTIC. This radio station is the flagship radio station for Metro Hartford. The links are for two commentaries about the situation in Hartford and should allow you to get a flavor for what is happening in the market:

http://wtic.cbslocal.com/2010/07/28/...728/#more-3978

http://wtic.cbslocal.com/2010/07/29/...ommentary-729/

Here is a link to the Facebook Page for Whaler Nation. It should give you further information as to what is happening in Hartford:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/WhalerNation

And here is a link to Whalers Sports and Entertainment's website:

http://www.whalerssports.com/


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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=530774
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EAST HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -The former owner of the Hartford Whalers has launched a campaign that he hopes will eventually bring an NHL team back to Connecticut.

Howard Baldwin said Wednesday he is trying to increase fan interest and convince NHL officials that Hartford is a viable market

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I thought Hartford got a really raw deal when the Whalers left & I'd love to see them return. This is an interesting approach. They didnt actually secure the team, just the "marketing rights" to the Wolf Pack, obviously to be utilized as a springboard to achieving greater heights with an NHL franchise.

Couple of questions; I understand a lot of the larger corporate presences have moved out of the city center itself over the past decade. Is the corporate heft enough still to carry the load in terms of boxes etc in the market?. What about an arena?. Private/Public or ?.

Finally, the enthusiastic reporter prognosticates "within 3yrs".He admits to "drinking Baldwins Kool-Aide", but really, how real & realistic is this?.

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I stopped reading after the words "Howard Baldwin"

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/sp...y/26cheer.html

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Another year has passed without the Whalers in Hartford, running the total to 12 years without an N.H.L. team in Connecticut. But the Hartford Whalers Booster Club, as ferocious as Gordie Howe, is not shutting down. It has 54 members. Not long ago, it had only 13.

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Thats good news, I think it will happen eventually - there are over a million ppl in the metro area, its a "traditional" market, and there is NHL history.

My question is regarding the arena...would there need to be a new one built?

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A whole 54 members? Wow, thats almost like .00001% of the population in hartford!

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Thats good news, I think it will happen eventually - there are over a million ppl in the metro area, its a "traditional" market, and there is NHL history.

My question is regarding the arena...would there need to be a new one built?
A new arena is a must. It will happen some time in the next 10 years, but the big question is how big it will be. The XL Center is outdated, and UConn will need a place to play in Hartford, so a new arena will be built eventually. The question is whether it is built to NHL standards or closer to 10,000 seats. Hartford is dying to be a "major league" city, so they'll probably swing for the fences, but a lot of the corporate support that was promised for a new arena prior to the recession is likely now gone. The insurance industry is huge in Hartford, and it took a big hit recently.

Plus, Larry Gottesdiener, the only individual interested in bringing back the NHL who actually had the cash to get it done, is heavily invested in real estate. Many of his Hartford properties are vacant, and two have been foreclosed in the past two years. There was a lot of stuff going on to bring back the NHL a few years ago, but the recession really killed that momentum.

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Please come back Whalers, with the sexiest NHL jerseys of all time.

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I loved the Whalers, used to have season tickets and I got to go to their last game in Hartford. Where did all of this come from? What do you think the next step would be?

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I don't think it's realistic until Bettman/Daly provide the same encouraging statements that they did for Winnipeg/Quebec over the past year. The 'state of the art' stadium is a must to even reach the table. Heard some bad things about Howard Baldwin's past business dealings in Pittsburgh in particular. That being said, would love to see the Whale back.

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I think if Winnipeg and Quebec City (the other two former WHA cities) are able to bring back teams in the next few years, Hartford will be seriously looked at by the NHL.

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I don't see the NHL going back to hartford

btw

isn't hartford inside the another teams territory rights

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I don't see the NHL going back to hartford

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isn't hartford inside the another teams territory rights
I don't know about territory rights. But Hartford is way too close to NYC and Boston.


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I don't see the NHL going back to hartford

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isn't hartford inside the another teams territory rights

No. Hartford is well outside any territory rights to the Bruins, Islanders or Rangers. As for a crowded market...New York has three teams while New England only has Boston. New England could easily have another NHL Franchise.

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I don't think it's realistic until Bettman/Daly provide the same encouraging statements that they did for Winnipeg/Quebec over the past year. The 'state of the art' stadium is a must to even reach the table. Heard some bad things about Howard Baldwin's past business dealings in Pittsburgh in particular.
oh, they were true.....that is why the franchise had to declare bankruptcy....

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wouldnt they need a new arena because they arent going to make any money in the XL center it can probably fit 10,000 people.

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wouldnt they need a new arena because they arent going to make any money in the XL center it can probably fit 10,000 people.
The XL Center actually holds 15,000+ for hockey, but now due to hockey standards and crowds it would need to be 18000+. Not that it would be filled or last that long once the novelty of hockey back in Hartford wears off. The new team would end up like the old team moved elsewhere or fold.

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A whole 54 members? Wow, thats almost like .00001% of the population in hartford!
Post of this thread. 54 member is nothing even if it is for a team now 13 years removed.


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The Hartford Courant has created a Whalers section with a message board amidst all the talk, I guess.

I still don't trust Baldwin...

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The XL Center actually holds 15,00+ for hockey, but now due to hockey standards and crowds it would need to be 1800+. Not that it would be filled or last that long once the novelty of hockey back in Hartford wears off. The new team would end up like the old team moved elsewhere or fold.
I'd hope it would need to be bigger than 1,800!

So....why does Hartford need an arena bigger than 15,000?

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The Hartford Courant has created a Whalers section with a message board amidst all the talk, I guess.

I still don't trust Baldwin...
I dont trust him either. To me he is just a looney toon with a crazy pipe dream.

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I dont trust him either. To me he is just a looney toon with a crazy pipe dream.
I've been disappointed so many times by this guy over the past 13 years, I can't put my support behind him. So many people have such high hopes for this, and this plan is so fragile and depends so much on the last event as the next, that one slip up, and it is all over. He could set hockey in Hartford waaaay back. Not late April of 1997, but the 60s.....

I know it wouldn't be his intention, but this has a much better chance of crushing hockey in Hartford than saving it.

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http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/s...100556834.html

Edit: News article on this weekend's events.


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I'd love to see it happen, but Baldwin has been at this for years. Gottesdiener had a plan back in 2004ish that would have come to fruition back around 07-09 according to their plan, and we're still waiting...

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http://www.courant.com/sports/hockey...,7394113.story

A report on this evenings Whaler Reunion Dinner.


http://www.courant.com/news/connecti...,7434147.story

A report on Whaler's Merchandise Sales.

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