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07-28-2010, 01:31 PM
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I don't believe we've seen Callahan's best yet and would like to hold on to him for a bit longer. I don't see what benefit we'd get by trading him at this point. The lineup rangersfan111 posted is far from impressive and would be better off with Callahan inserted somewhere, IMO. This assumes Prust, Zucca, Byers, and/or Weise are better options; I don't agree with that assessment.

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You know, I've seen Ranger teams built around stats since 1997 at the latest and the acheivement of mediocrity has been it's highest plateau. I've seen heart and soul and work ethic moved for abilities and talent... and the team has always come out worse. There is something to be said about things not shown by stats.

Philly has Richards and Carter but it was Leino and Hartnell carrying that team to the finals. Chicago has Kane and Toews but it was Byfuglien and Bolland getting the job done. With Ranger fans it is always about what we don't have. We don't have elite talent like other teams. Gaborik isn't even elite, he's a Hossa, the next tier. I'm tired of guys like Callahan and Dubinsky being blamed for not being elite. They are important pieces that are crucial for winning. They are not the problem. It's time to focus on the true issues.
Great post.. I agree... The Rangers have the players on this roster where they can compete and win.. Guys like Dubinsky and and Callahan could be playoff heroes. They have grit and competitiveness... Hank might be needed to steal a series like most of the goalies seem to do in the playoffs but the pieces are there...



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You know, I've seen Ranger teams built around stats since 1997 at the latest and the acheivement of mediocrity has been it's highest plateau. I've seen heart and soul and work ethic moved for abilities and talent... and the team has always come out worse. There is something to be said about things not shown by stats.

Philly has Richards and Carter but it was Leino and Hartnell carrying that team to the finals. Chicago has Kane and Toews but it was Byfuglien and Bolland getting the job done. With Ranger fans it is always about what we don't have. We don't have elite talent like other teams. Gaborik isn't even elite, he's a Hossa, the next tier. I'm tired of guys like Callahan and Dubinsky being blamed for not being elite. They are important pieces that are crucial for winning. They are not the problem. It's time to focus on the true issues.
This is a really great post.

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07-28-2010, 01:49 PM
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many of you are making me seem like a total **** and trying to spin what i wrote into a hate fest of callahan ...
all i am saying is after this season he will be making 3 mill per season as a 3rd liner
I understand he has a lot of heart and is a team player, I love callahan... but if you can't play on the top two lines you are definitley tradeable ...
also like i said before anisimov enjoys playing with prust and this year instead of shelley on the left side he could have avery (who is much better offensively) both players stick up for their teammates and i strongly believe this line will mesch very well

And someone stated that we are weak at the right wing position... Gaborik, Zuccarello, Prust and Wiese are not weak... its average at the worst ... how many teams have better right wings then that?
our left wings are solid:Frolov, Dubinsky, Avery, Boogard

wouldn't you guys rather pay Prust 2 million dollars less since he plays better with anisimov and could help him with his development and put the money to a greater need ... centremen or defense
and like i said before... we could get a decent prospect in return

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many of you are making me seem like a total **** and trying to spin what i wrote into a hate fest of callahan ...
all i am saying is after this season he will be making 3 mill per season as a 3rd liner
I understand he has a lot of heart and is a team player, I love callahan... but if you can't play on the top two lines you are definitley tradeable ...
also like i said before anisimov enjoys playing with prust and this year instead of shelley on the left side he could have avery (who is much better offensively) both players stick up for their teammates and i strongly believe this line will mesch very well

And someone stated that we are weak at the right wing position... Gaborik, Zuccarello, Prust and Wiese are not weak... its average at the worst ... how many teams have better right wings then that?
our left wings are solid:Frolov, Dubinsky, Avery, Boogard

wouldn't you guys rather pay Prust 2 million dollars less since he plays better with anisimov and could help him with his development and put the money to a greater need ... centremen or defense
and like i said before... we could get a decent prospect in return
I guess my question is: How does removing Callahan from our lineup make us better?

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When Gaborik's healthy he's what I'd call "2nd tier elite." You've got Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, maybe Stamkos and Henrik Sedin now, then you've got Gaborik, Kovalchuk, Heatley, Kane, Toews, B. Richards, Backstrom, Thornton, etc.

And until Gaborik isn't healthy I don't see how he's not elite.

I'm not really sure what the point of that "great post" was considering by definition Kane, Toews, Richards and Carter aren't elite either.

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07-28-2010, 02:12 PM
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I guess my question is: How does removing Callahan from our lineup make us better?
well like i said before ... he could fetch us a very good prospect as well as give us the cap space to sign a player that could fill one of our other holes
someone is going to respond by saying we will make a hole by trading away callahan
but I strongly believe that Avery-Anisimov-Prust (as the 3rd line) would work better than Avery-Anisimov-Callahan ...
and we save ourselves 2 million in cap for the next few years and we get a good prospect in return who could probably be a top 6 player in the near future

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many of you are making me seem like a total **** and trying to spin what i wrote into a hate fest of callahan ...
all i am saying is after this season he will be making 3 mill per season as a 3rd liner
I understand he has a lot of heart and is a team player, I love callahan... but if you can't play on the top two lines you are definitley tradeable ...
also like i said before anisimov enjoys playing with prust and this year instead of shelley on the left side he could have avery (who is much better offensively) both players stick up for their teammates and i strongly believe this line will mesch very well

And someone stated that we are weak at the right wing position... Gaborik, Zuccarello, Prust and Wiese are not weak... its average at the worst ... how many teams have better right wings then that?
our left wings are solid:Frolov, Dubinsky, Avery, Boogard

wouldn't you guys rather pay Prust 2 million dollars less since he plays better with anisimov and could help him with his development and put the money to a greater need ... centremen or defense
and like i said before... we could get a decent prospect in return
I think you underrate Callahan as much as you overrate Prust.

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A 20 goal scorer who hits, is a leader and leaves his heart out on the ice every game?
Yeah trade him, we don't need that.
lol

Amen.

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I think you underrate Callahan as much as you overrate Prust.
Yeah I agree Cally is the heart and soul of this team take him away and I promise you his teammates would flip the **** out about it

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yeah exactly...we have TOO MUCH GRIT already...

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yeah, rangers should have traded graves in 91.. what is callahan, 25 years old? still plenty of time for him to develop offensively..

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in a package for Bobby Ryan...sure....other than that....

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but I strongly believe that Avery-Anisimov-Prust (as the 3rd line) would work better than Avery-Anisimov-Callahan ...
You are out of your mind dude. Completely.

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Why not buy out Drury?

If it looks like cap space will be tight next summer, they can always buyout the last year of Drury's contract (freeing up $3.3 million in cap space).

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If it looks like cap space will be tight next summer, they can always buyout the last year of Drury's contract (freeing up $3.3 million in cap space).
we'll be fine.

Prospal, Brashear, Eminger, Frolov, etc are all off the books...thats like 6-7 mil in space right there. If you trade Rozsival (and I think its fairly simple to trade him, hes got a good salary base next year) youd free up another 5 mil.

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many of you are making me seem like a total **** and trying to spin what i wrote into a hate fest of callahan ...
all i am saying is after this season he will be making 3 mill per season as a 3rd liner
I understand he has a lot of heart and is a team player, I love callahan... but if you can't play on the top two lines you are definitley tradeable ...
also like i said before anisimov enjoys playing with prust and this year instead of shelley on the left side he could have avery (who is much better offensively) both players stick up for their teammates and i strongly believe this line will mesch very well

And someone stated that we are weak at the right wing position... Gaborik, Zuccarello, Prust and Wiese are not weak... its average at the worst ... how many teams have better right wings then that?our left wings are solid:Frolov, Dubinsky, Avery, Boogard

wouldn't you guys rather pay Prust 2 million dollars less since he plays better with anisimov and could help him with his development and put the money to a greater need ... centremen or defense
and like i said before... we could get a decent prospect in return
I'm not looking to pile on here, but this is just silly.

Of the four players mentioned above Zuccarello has never seen N/A hockey, and Weise barley has NHL experience. How does trading Callahan make our right side better?

If you are not hating on Calahan here you are certainly selling him short.

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I'm not looking to pile on here, but this is just silly.

Of the four players mentioned above Zuccarello has never seen N/A hockey, and Weise barley has NHL experience. How does trading Callahan make our right side better?

If you are not hating on Calahan here you are certainly selling him short.
whattttt... obviously callahan improves the right side ... all i stated is that the right wing without him is still better than average

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whattttt... obviously callahan improves the right side ... all i stated is that the right wing without him is still better than average
So by trading him to free up money for a dman, what does that accomplish? How does that make us a better team? We aren't in a position to be trading offense for defense.

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last year ryan callahan posted 19 goals and 18 assists in 77 games ... however 9 of those goals and 11 of those assists came on the powerplay

if anyone truly believes callahan is a top 6 player they are horribly mistaken
IMO he is one of the best 3rd liners in the league (if not the best)... and he is a penalty killing machine

the problem is he does not mesch well with the centers on the team ... chris drury put up an abysmal 32 points centering callahan for the majority of the season... and when he played with anisimov it just didnt work (there was no chemistry)

next year he will demand a pay increase and sather knows keeping callahan will please the fans because he knows ranger fans have some obsession with him ... a 3 million dollar 3rd line winger is not the most ideal situation for any team ...

rangers could probably trade callahan for a quality pick or even package him in a deal with a prospect for a bluechip prospect ...
with the extra money they could sign a player like willie mitchell

also trading callahan would allow prust to be given 3rd line minutes and play with the mighty russian artem anisimov
this is what the team would look like with the trade and dont forget the addition of a bluechip prospect:

Dubinsky-Christensen-Gaborik
Frolov-Drury-Mats ZuccarelloAasen
Avery-Anisimov-Prust
Boogard-Boyle/Byers-Wiese

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Mitchell
Girardi-McDonough

Lundqvist
Biron

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Callahan is a second liner in this league.

You guys need to get your heads out of your *****, and actually compare apples to ****ing apples.

Tell me how many bona fide third-liners in this league have scored 40G over the last two season's?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????

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So by trading him to free up money for a dman, what does that accomplish? How does that make us a better team? We aren't in a position to be trading offense for defense.
do you read what you post. do i even have to answer that question... by acquring a top 4 defenseman like willie mitchell it improves our defense immensely

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Mitchell
Girardi-McDonough
Eminger

that defense is extremely solid especially infront of henrik lundqvist

we don't have the offense to compete with pittsburgh, chicago and washington ... the way the rangers are going to beat teams like that is by having better defense and goaltending

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Another American Olympian was considered to be a third line center for his career as it was thought that when he turned 24 that his offense was never going to come around.

He followed that up with a season of 59 points and 75 points. Now he is considered one of the most complete 2nd line centers in the league. If you guess Ryan Kesler, you'd be right.

Sometimes it takes a little time for players to get it at the NHL level offensively. You saw flashed from Cally last season offensively, and he has the skill to put up 50+ points. I know he was given PP time last year and that is how he got the majority of his points, but you have to wonder if Cally can make the same step that Kesler did this season and put up 50+ points.

With that being said, you don't trade Callahan. He is the heart of this team. He is the future captian of this group of players, and leads by example. I think Cally is such a team guy, he'll take a similar contract to what he is under right now just so this team can be better.

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many of you are making me seem like a total **** and trying to spin what i wrote into a hate fest of callahan ...
all i am saying is after this season he will be making 3 mill per season as a 3rd liner
I understand he has a lot of heart and is a team player, I love callahan... but if you can't play on the top two lines you are definitley tradeable ...
also like i said before anisimov enjoys playing with prust and this year instead of shelley on the left side he could have avery (who is much better offensively) both players stick up for their teammates and i strongly believe this line will mesch very well

And someone stated that we are weak at the right wing position... Gaborik, Zuccarello, Prust and Wiese are not weak... its average at the worst ... how many teams have better right wings then that?
our left wings are solid:Frolov, Dubinsky, Avery, Boogard

wouldn't you guys rather pay Prust 2 million dollars less since he plays better with anisimov and could help him with his development and put the money to a greater need ... centremen or defense
and like i said before... we could get a decent prospect in return
Prust couldn't put up 20G in the ****ing OHL. The O H L . Wake up. There's no chance in hell he ever comes close to producing like Callahan. Assuming he could replace him one day, is like assuming Byers could replace Gaborik.

And Avery isn't the better offensively than Callahan. Only a fool would assume so. Only a fool.

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do you read what you post. do i even have to answer that question... by acquring a top 4 defenseman like willie mitchell it improves our defense immensely

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Mitchell
Girardi-McDonough
Eminger

that defense is extremely solid especially infront of henrik lundqvist

we don't have the offense to compete with pittsburgh, chicago and washington ... the way the rangers are going to beat teams like that is by having better defense and goaltending
So you're suggesting we trade Callahan so we can sign a UFA dmen who's been side-lined with concussion problems.

That's all I needed to hear from you. Seriously, your theory's are brutal. As stupid as Sather is, man oh man, I'm glad we don't have guys like yourself running this team.

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do you read what you post. do i even have to answer that question... by acquring a top 4 defenseman like willie mitchell it improves our defense immensely

Staal-Rozsival
MDZ-Mitchell
Girardi-McDonough
Eminger

that defense is extremely solid especially infront of henrik lundqvist

we don't have the offense to compete with pittsburgh, chicago and washington ... the way the rangers are going to beat teams like that is by having better defense and goaltending
I don't understand how getting rid of Callahan, who would provide far more offense than Prust and would be a rock on the PK defensively, helps this team in any way. Mitchell would be nice, yes, but all the things that Callahan does on both sides of the puck are worth more to this team than what Mitchell would bring.

I also really don't understand how Gaborik/MZA/Prust/Weise would be average depth "at worst" on RW. That looks pretty sad, to me. MZA hasn't shown or proved anything on smaller ice with a rougher style of play. Prust hasn't demonstrated much offense, certainly nowhere near as much as Cally, as others have pointed out. Weise shows some promise, but he hasn't proven much yet at the NHL level.

Honestly, if those 4 are "average depth at worst" then I need to lace em up and call Sather for my ELC.

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