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07-29-2010, 10:37 AM
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Derek Stepan

Is there any chance he makes it to the NHL out of training camp?

Could he beat any of the current centers for their job?


I would like to see him get the 2nd line C spot, but it definitly starts to jam things up.

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I have said it before and I will say it again, physically he is not ready for the NHL. His skills and his hockey IQ are his strengths but he needs to get stronger before his style would allow for him to be successful t the NHL. I say 1 season in the AHL.

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I have said it before and I will say it again, physically he is not ready for the NHL. His skills and his hockey IQ are his strengths but he needs to get stronger before his style would allow for him to be successful t the NHL.
This I said about Patrick Kane.

He looked like a 9th grader on that podium putting on the Hawks sweater.

He has since corrected me

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07-29-2010, 10:51 AM
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Stepan has decent size.. No? so he can probably handle the physical
side of things... He also seems to be very mature and etc for his age.
It's just a big jump from college to the NHL..

Does anyone have any pre-draft scouting reports on Stepan?

Just curious what the scouts and etc thought of Stepan before the draft.

I believe Stepan was drafted in the 2nd round..

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07-29-2010, 10:55 AM
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He did lead the USA to the World Juniors Championship. He was the Captain and he dominated against top competition in BIG games

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This I said about Patrick Kane.

He looked like a 9th grader on that podium putting on the Hawks sweater.

He has since corrected me
He was out-muscled in pretty much every game I saw at Wisconsin. I would bet a lot of money that it won't change over one offseason when transitioning to the NHL.

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I think this is a perfect case were we should let him get a year in Hartford before he comes up...



for one, it allows him to hone his skills. It will allow him to practice moves that maybe a bit raw right now against weaker opponents...

It allows him to play with Grachev... maybe build some chemistry.

Gives him more time to devlope physically... He might be ready enough but just because you meet the minimum requirement doesn't mean your ready.

We have Christensen, AA, Drury, Boyle up the middle. He might be alittle better than Drury for example but it's not that big of a difference. Maybe a late season call up is appropriate depending on our position in the standings.

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He did lead the USA to the World Juniors Championship. He was the Captain and he dominated.
Against 18 and 19 year olds. His skills are elite, like I said, physically he is not ready.

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Stepan is no Patrick Kane though. Completely different game.

I think hell need a year in the AHL. If he lights it up and dominates we'll see him at the end of the year. Hell need someone to pass the puck to though down there. If MZA doesnt make the squad for any reason, it may accelerate Stepans development in the AHL.

I think Anisimov has a much better chance of centering the 2nd line.

If Drury wakes up it might get interesting (doubt it)

If Anisimov surprises we could see a big year out of him slotted between Frolov and Gaborik. Christensen or Prospal can do that as well. Even Dubinksy but i believe Torts prefers those guys on the wing. Stepan's a year out. But it will be a great time watching him in camp/preseason. Cant wait.

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07-29-2010, 11:07 AM
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I have said all along one year in the A.

However it continues to interest me how this organization (Torts and Glen specifically) keep bringing him up and mentioning how he's going to get a hard look.

That alone says to me he has a chance.

And I believe that he's the type of player who will come to camp and out work everyone.

Will that be enough to make the club? I don't know.

The reason I do find it plausible is Torts' preaching of it being an open competition, and the fact that Christensen/Prospal/Boyle are guys who could easily be surpassed.

I don't think Prospal will, but it's possible. And EC and Boyle it is as well.

I think they want him here. I don't know if that's the right decision but that's the impression that I get. They really want him here.

I think if he comes into camp and out works everyone he just might be here.

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The top line in Hartford would be better for his development over the 4th line in NY but I'm keeping my hopes up that he outworks them all in camp and forces his way onto the team.

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If he makes the team, this organization is in a lot of trouble.

I think Stepper is going to be a solid NHL player. But in 1 1/2 to 2 years. Not now.


Only chance we see him on the rangers this year is if

Christensen bombs
Anisimov, Dubinsky fail to center Gaborik well
Stepan is scoring over a PPG as a 19 year old in the AHL.

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If he makes the team, this organization is in a lot of trouble.

I think Stepper is going to be a solid NHL player. But in 1 1/2 to 2 years. Not now.


Only chance we see him on the rangers this year is if

Christensen bombs
Anisimov, Dubinsky fail to center Gaborik well
Stepan is scoring over a PPG as a 19 year old in the AHL.
Hyperbole much...

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This I said about Patrick Kane.

He looked like a 9th grader on that podium putting on the Hawks sweater.

He has since corrected me
Patrick Kane has ELITE skating and stick skills. I have a hard time making that comparison.

Stepan will and should spend a year in the A. He can work on his skating, acclimate to the speed of the pro game, work on his strength/conditioning, and play top 6 minutes in all situations.

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Maybe apples and oranges but this reminds me of the post 1st season discussions about Gilroy.

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He's not fast enough or crafty enough to currently with stand the rigors of the NHL. AHL is perfect for him for him to grow and get accustomed to the new speed of the game.

I feel like he is a long shot to make the team just because Anisimov/Prospal/Christensen will be the 1st line centers, so if they can leave him in the AHL to brew and become a better player at a his own rate, I would suggest it unless he's just something they can't pass up on.

Last year in UW-M he spent some time getting a little more physical and trying to outmuscle people and it worked out ok for him, it should be something he should continue to develop. If he became smart enough to strip the puck away and physically experienced to get people along the boards and walk off with the puck we could have a special player. Like I have stated before though, I hope management doesn't get "Korpikoski" on this guy and just make him play PK and 3rd line minutes cause of his ability to PK.


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Lets face it too... hes going to need a full season at the pro level to get his feet wet.

If he makes the team, you cant relegate him to the 4th line. Thats misusage of talent. So he should be playing a nice amount of minutes. In that scenario youll likely burn him out at the NHL level. Its tough making the jump from college to the Pros. Look what happened to Gilroy. He started out well and then faded quickly. I expect the same thing to happen to McDonaugh.

Let him get his feet wet down in the A. Theres no rush. If he lights it up, bring him up and see what he can do. But I think the organization plans to have him start with the Pack.

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There's no room for Stepan at all, and rightfully so. There's no need to rush him.

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Barring a stellar training camp from either of them, I want to see Stepan - Grachev for half the season in hartford (minimum). At that point you can get a fair assessment.

I would be worried though about Stepan's conditioning simply due to coming from the NCAA. I agree with everything who says he needs a year in the AHL. But I would like to see where he is at halfway through.


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bottom line. derek needs time in hartford. hell be a better player if he gets the chance to learn in the a.

could he play the 3c right now? yeah, prolly could.

should he. nope.

let him gain confidence and stength playing with the pack.

next year, he'll have a spot on broadway.

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Barring a stellar training camp from either of them, I want to see Stephan - Grachev for half the season in hartford (minimum). At that point you can get a fair assessment.

I would be worried though about Stepan's conditioning simply due to coming from the NCAA. I agree with everything who says he needs a year in the AHL. But I would like to see where he is at halfway through.
Even with a stellar training camp, I'll be very surprised if either make it out of camp, especially Stepan.

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i think we should give him time to develop, it makes the most sense

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I don't see him making the team. While I wouldn't call the forward corps "deep", there are a lot of guys with NHL experience who he is unlikely to beat out. Definitely needs some time to develop physically. No need to rush him and ruin his develop him.

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Lets put him in hartford at first and see how he does
mid season call up wouldnt be out of the question

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I see no way he makes the team.

One of MZA and Christensen will already likely be playing 4th line or sitting in the press box, since neither of them fit well on a 3rd line.

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