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Then and Now Soviet Union

The most popular activity in the history section is trying to compare hockey and its players across eras. Usually this is done against a background that makes certain assumptions, bigger = better, faster = better, etc.

Let's try to get a clearer picture by looking at two decades, 1970 to 1979 and 2000-2009.Player eligibility is rather simple - one game in the NHL or WHA or for the respective national team inc junior.

Please present a list of the top 25 Soviet hockey players 1970-79 and 2000-2009. Players from countries that comprised the former Soviet Union are eligible.Arguments appreciated.

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1970-79

Vyacheslav Fetisov*
Anatoli Firsov*
Valeri Kharlamov
Sergei Makarov*
Vladislav Tretiak
Alexander Maltsev
Boris Mikhailov
Vladimir Petrov
Valeri Vasiliev
Vyacheslav Starshinov*
Alexander Ragulin*
Alexander Yakushev
Helmut Balderis
Sergei Kapustin
Vladimir Shadrin
Vladimir Vikulov
Gennady Tsygankov
Zinetula Bilyaletdinov
Victor Shalimov
Yuri Lyapkin
Vladimir Lutchenko
Vladimir Golikov
Alexander Gusev
Yuri Lebedev
Viktor Zhluktov

* players who mostly made their mark in another decade, but who definitely belong here IMO.

Even though I guess it would have been also okay to include players like Krutov and Kasatonov (as they had some merits already in the '70s), it just didn't feel right, and there were far too many players to choose from as it is. I also favoured defense players who were clearly '70s defensemen like Tsygankov and Lutchenko over guys like Babinov and Pervukhin who may or may have not been as good/better, but were just as much (or even more) '80s as '70s players.


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2000-2009
1. Alexander Ovechkin
2. Sergei Fedorov
3. Igor Larionov
4. Pavel Bure
5. Evgeni Malkin
6. Pavel Datsyuk
7. Alexander Mogilny
8. Ilya Kovalchuk
9. Sergei Zubov
10. Sergei Gonchar
11. Alex Kovalev
12. Alexei Yashin
13. Alex Zhamnov
14. Nikolai Khabibulin
15. Evgeni Nabokov
16. Andrei Markov
17. Darius Kasparaitis
18. Vyacheslav Kozlov
19. Valeri Kamensky
20. Sandis Ozolinsh
21. Alexander Semin
22. Artrus Irbe
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24.
25.

A Few Notes: Rankings are based on career, not just during 00's. Need some help filling out the last few. Curious to see what people think of Mogilny vs. Kovalchuk (Kovalchuk is almost guaranteed to pass him, but not sure if he's there yet)


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If ozolinsh counts, how does irbe not? Off the top of my head, wasn't irbe there goalie the last time they won a world championship? He had something like a .90 gaa or something ridiculous throughout the tournament.

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If ozolinsh counts, how does irbe not? Off the top of my head, wasn't irbe there goalie the last time they won a world championship? He had something like a .90 gaa or something ridiculous throughout the tournament.
Irbe can fill in one of those last 3 spots

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I don't think Konstantinov should count for 2000-09. His car accident was in 1997.

Sergei Brylin was a very good utility player for a long time. Not a star, but the kind of player ever contender needs. He could be added if you run out of stars.

Sergei Nemchinov? Similar career to Sergie Brylin IMO.

Anton Volchenkov could be added, as well. He's been in the league a decent amount of time now and was great in the 2007 playoffs.

Vladimir Malakhov? Oleg Tverdovsky? Both offensive defensemen for a long time. Both won a Cup in NJ, though Malahkov was much more important when he won.

Dmitri Kalinin was a very good defensive defenseman for awhile.

Ilya Bryzgalov?

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I don't think Konstantinov should count for 2000-09. His car accident was in 1997.
Haha. Not sure how he got on there. My mistake. I will edit him out.

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Sergei Brylin was a very good utility player for a long time. Not a star, but the kind of player ever contender needs. He could be added if you run out of stars.

Sergei Nemchinov? Similar career to Sergie Brylin IMO.

Anton Volchenkov could be added, as well. He's been in the league a decent amount of time now and was great in the 2007 playoffs.

Vladimir Malakhov? Oleg Tverdovsky? Both offensive defensemen for a long time. Both won a Cup in NJ, though Malahkov was much more important when he won.

Dmitri Kalinin was a very good defensive defenseman for awhile.

Ilya Bryzgalov?
All of these guys crossed my mind (except Bryzgalov), just couldn't decide who to pick.

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A Few Notes: Rankings are based on career, not just during 00's. Need some help filling out the last few. Curious to see what people think of Mogilny vs. Kovalchuk (Kovalchuk is almost guaranteed to pass him, but not sure if he's there yet)
Considering that you give credit to their entire careers, that ranking makes sense. Just looking at the years in question would lead to a different result in my opinion.

Here's my attempt at a top 25:

2000-2009
1. Alexander Ovechkin (2 Harts, 2 Rocket Richard Trophies, 1 Art Ross)
2. Evgeni Malkin (1 Art Ross, 1 Conn Smythe, 2 First All-Star Teams)
3. Pavel Bure (2 Rocket Richard Trophies)
4. Pavel Datsyuk (2 Selkes, Second in points for Detroit in the 2008 playoffs)
5. Ilya Kovalchuk (1 Rocket Richard Trophy, leading goal scorer of this period, three additional times top 5 in goals)
6. Alexei Kovalev (Leading point scorer, Fourth in points in 2000-01, 1 Second All-Star Team)
7. Sergei Fedorov (Fourth in points during this time)
8. Sergei Gonchar (2 Second All-Star Teams, Fifth in points)
9. Alexander Mogilny (.92 PPG in 344 games)
10. Sergei Zubov (1 Second All-Star Team)
11. Alexei Yashin (.88 in 428 games)
12. Evgeni Nabokov (1 Calder, 1 Second All-Star Team, 47 SO)
13. Nikolai Khabibulin (5 SO in the 2004 playoffs)
14. Andrei Markov (Third among D in points and PPG)
15. Vyacheslav Kozlov (Sixth in goals and points)
16. Arturs Irbe (Third in wins and first in saves in 2000-01, 1.67 GAA in the 2002 playoffs)
17. Sandis Ozolinsh (Fourth among D in points and PPG)
18. Igor Larionov (Fifth in goals for Detroit in the 2002 playoffs)
19. Alex Zhamnov (.80 PPG in 352 games)
20. Ilya Bryzgalov (.912 SV%, 3 wins in the 2007 playoffs)
21. Alexander Semin (.85 PPG in 254 games)
22. Sergei Samsonov (Eighth in points)
23. Karlis Skrastins (677 GP, which is second after Kovalev)
24. Alexander Frolov (.73 PPG in 455 games)
25. Dainius Zubrus (Twelfth in points and seventh in GP)

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