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08-08-2010, 06:08 PM
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1. Kaberle isn't gonna bring back any of these guys.
2. Phillips isn't going anywhere.

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Kaberle won't return that. Without Phillips last year we would have been 10th-13th.

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I am just wondering seeing the San Joes Sharks need a top four dman or are looking to trade for a top four dman and they are willing to trade Ryan Clowe for that top four dman would any of you trade one of our extra dmen to the Sharks for Clowe?

I was thinking one of Campoli,Kuba and Lee.

I was thinking Kuba for Clowe.

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I'd try one of Campoli or Lee for Clowe before I try Kuba for Clowe. But I doubt that would be enough.

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I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.

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I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.
True that.

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I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.
30 goals + a serious physical presence up front ?

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30 goals + a serious physical presence up front ?
We are talking about Ryan Clowe, right? The guy who has a career high of 22 goals?

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We are talking about Ryan Clowe, right? The guy who has a career high of 22 goals?
And it`s not like he is a kid anymore - he`s 27.

I like Foligno to score 20 this year, if he can stay healthy and recover from his broken leg.

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Clowe's awesome but losing Kuba would wreck us.

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I agree. Kuba is the only defenseman on the team who isn't a specialist. It makes him underrated around here, but he's just as important.

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I agree. Kuba is the only defenseman on the team who isn't a specialist. It makes him underrated around here, but he's just as important.
Well said. You share my belief .

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NHL is looking into the Chris Pronger, Roberto Luongo, Marc Savard and Marian Hossa contracts. Not too sure what they can do with Hossa's, as he's played a year of it already, but Luongo's, Pronger's and Savard's all started July 1st.

Chris Pronger's is a 35+ contract, by the way.

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makes sense for sure except pronger since he is 35 plus contract which leads me to how dumb is philly lol like i with bet my life they didnt even realise and then when it went through someone realised and they just tried to say they knew

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I am just wondering seeing the San Joes Sharks need a top four dman or are looking to trade for a top four dman and they are willing to trade Ryan Clowe for that top four dman would any of you trade one of our extra dmen to the Sharks for Clowe?

I was thinking one of Campoli,Kuba and Lee.

I was thinking Kuba for Clowe.
I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.

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I don't see what Ryan Clowe would bring to this team that Milan Michalek and Nick Foligno don't already. He's a pretty overrated player.
Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them. He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons. Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.

Clowe - Spezza - Alfredson - 150 pt potential
Michalek - Regin - Kovalev - 150 pt potential
Foligno - Fisher - Shannon - 100 pt potential
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil/Winchester/Z. Smith - 75 pt potential

Gonchar - Karlsson - very offensive tandem, will score more for than get scored on.
Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.
Campoli - Carkner/Hale - injury call up. I expect big things from Campoli this season.

Leclaire - Elliott

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08-11-2010, 09:06 PM
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I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.



Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them. He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons. Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.

Clowe - Spezza - Alfredson - 150 pt potential
Michalek - Regin - Kovalev - 150 pt potential
Foligno - Fisher - Shannon - 100 pt potential
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil/Winchester/Z. Smith - 75 pt potential

Gonchar - Karlsson - very offensive tandem, will score more for than get scored on.
Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.
Campoli - Carkner/Hale - injury call up. I expect big things from Campoli this season.

Leclaire - Elliott
It's tempting how you put it and I agree with all your player analysis (expecting big things from Campoli, Lee's potential, etc.)... but that D is just a huge risk and a weakness waiting to happen. Sure, Hale, could become the top 4 D-Man that people thought he could be for 20 games that one year... but he could also be a good AHL #1 dman. That's the issue with the lineup and the trade. If we trade Kuba I want back a substantially cheaper but still top 4 dman or a similarly priced but better dman, with us adding. Kuba is a very very good dman and I love having him. He should only be given up if he's being adequately replaced.

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I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.



Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them. He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons. Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.

Clowe - Spezza - Alfredson - 150 pt potential
Michalek - Regin - Kovalev - 150 pt potential
Foligno - Fisher - Shannon - 100 pt potential
Ruutu - Kelly - Neil/Winchester/Z. Smith - 75 pt potential

Gonchar - Karlsson - very offensive tandem, will score more for than get scored on.
Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.
Campoli - Carkner/Hale - injury call up. I expect big things from Campoli this season.

Leclaire - Elliott

You are bang on I agree with you.

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Phillips - Lee - If Lee can play to his potential he is a good two way defenceman.
That's way too much of a gamble. I have no problems with Lee getting to play full-time in the NHL, but expecting him to be a top 4 dman this season is too much to ask.

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I would think that because of salaries Clowe ($3.625) & Kuba ($3.7) are closest to each other & would probably benefit each team. WIN/WIN. Kuba is a very good two way defenceman, no question but we have a pretty decent defence now with some decent depth in Bingo should we need it, it's a little risky but I'm quite sure Clowe will put up more points than Kuba next season. I'd do it.
Kuba's a better player than Clowe and we need him more than Clowe.

The last few seasons, we've started with 3 Top-4 D-men. This is the first season in quite a while that we're actually starting a season with 4, but that is totally contingent on Karlsson's continued progress. If he takes a step back, that'll be disappointing. If Kuba's not here and he takes a step back, we're screwed!



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Ryan Clowe would be a 1st or 2nd line LWer on Ottawa who can score & is also tough, something the 1st line needs. Clowe at 6'2", 225 lbs would bring some much needed toughness to this lineup & he can fight, much better than Foligno & Michalek doesn't drop them.

He could protect Spezza & Alfredson out two biggest offensive weapons.
Why?

From what?

Who are these goons all over the league attacking star players? ... There aren't any. There are a handful of little pukes who hit everybody dangerously, so we wouldn't actually need an enforcer on our top line. Oh, and the pukes don't fight their own battles. So two 5 minute a night enforcer who had nothing to with the original incident fight to achieve... ummm .... uhhh .... little help here guys. Anybody got any ideas about what they're achieving?

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Also with 57 & 52 point seasons behind him, a lot more pts than either Foligno or Michalek, he can add more offence at a decent cap hit. He's only 27 yrs old & is entering his prime & has three yrs left on a cap friendly contract. IMO Ottawa is weak at LW & Clowe would bring a big tough presence with some scoring ability. Next season this team could potentially lose Kovalev & Ruutu & Clowe would be able to replace either of these guys, Ruutu's toughness & Kovalev's pts. I'd do it.
Michalek regularly outscores Clowe in both goals and points, Clowe had a lot more assists last season, that's it. Michalek will outscore him for the balance of their careers.

Foligno's only 22 and hasn't yet gotten/earned a season on the Top-2 lines. He did however finish very strongly down the stretch in 2009 and has shown flashes of playing a good power game.

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I don't want Clowe - but Ryan would be a welcome addition.

We really could use a power forward who can play on the top line - but no-one gives those away.

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This is contingent on Cowen making the team, but if he does would you do the following trade:

To Montreal:
Campoli+3rd/Shannon/O'Brien/You get the point

To Ottawa:
Benoit Pouliot

Habs get a young PMD capable of scoring around 30-40 points if hes on his game and has good PP time. With Markov missing time, he will be an exponentially better option that Picard. Campoli also is solid defensively, and might even be the better player right now.

Sens get a former top 5 draft pick who just put it together last year, meaning there is a risk of relapse into his old unproductive ways. That being said, he could also continue on his 31goal, 19 assist pace, and even build upon it. Pouliot can play both wings to the best of my knowledge, although I'm pretty sure he's more confortable as a LW. This would give us freedom to try out a lineup like this:

Pouliot-Spezza-Alfie
Michalek-Regin-Kovalev
Foligno-Fisher-Winchester
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Smith

Phillips-Gonch
Kuba-Karlsson
Cowen-Lee
Carkner

From all I've heard, Cowen is on a pretty equal level right now to Campoli in the organizational eyes. He is definitely better defensively but his offensive game isn't near where it will be in the future, and it will likely be pretty limited in the future regardless. (Note: All this is from the conversation where I was told all the RFA salary junk so its coming from a pretty in the know source.)

Would you guys do this trade/is there anything that would need to be added?

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I would definately do that, but I doubt the Habs would...oh wait, Pierre Gauthier is an idiot so maybe they'd do it.

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I would definately do that, but I doubt the Habs would...oh wait, Pierre Gauthier is an idiot so maybe they'd do it.
I'm not sure it's so bad for the Habs, they need a solid offensive Dman to step in behind Markov, and Campoli could potentially be a fantastic option for that. Also, both were just given contracts this year as RFAs. Pouliot got 1.375 IIRC and Campoli got 1.4. I think both are pretty near market value; I would say if you add a 3rd/prospect you have a good shot at prying away Pouliot.

Anyways, I'm glad you like the idea

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I'm not sure it's so bad for the Habs, they need a solid offensive Dman to step in behind Markov, and Campoli could potentially be a fantastic option for that. Also, both were just given contracts this year as RFAs. Pouliot got 1.375 IIRC and Campoli got 1.4. I think both are pretty near market value; I would say if you add a 3rd/prospect you have a good shot at prying away Pouliot.

Anyways, I'm glad you like the idea
Yeah, I thought it was a great idea. I just think Montreal is too stubborn to give up a skilled french player.

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Pouliot-Spezza-Alfie
Michalek-Regin-Kovalev
Foligno-Fisher-Winchester
Ruutu-Kelly-Neil
Smith

Phillips-Gonch
Kuba-Karlsson
Cowen-Lee
Carkner
I'd probably do this, although it's a gamble with the defense (plus idk if mtl does this). The other trade with having Lee in our top 4 is a no-go for me

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