IMO if getting Hemsky hinged on Okposo I would give up Okposo.. I know there is serious man love on this board for Okposo. But Okposo could only hope to become the player that Ales Hemsky is already. Not to mention that Tavares and Hemsky would suit each other quite well as line mates..That line would be deadly.
IMO if getting Hemsky hinged on Okposo I would give up Okposo.. I know there is serious man love on this board for Okposo. But Okposo could only hope to become the player that Ales Hemsky is already. Not to mention that Tavares and Hemsky would suit each other quite well as line mates..That line would be deadly.
Underrating Okposo much? Isles are gonna trade their future captain and their best all around forward (kinda sad, but true) for an older, not as complete and much more expensive winger?
Please. Any trade that has Okposo in it is patently insane.
Underrating Okposo much? Isles are gonna trade their future captain and their best all around forward (kinda sad, but true) for an older, not as complete and much more expensive winger?
Please. Any trade that has Okposo in it is patently insane.
I do not disagree with your sentiment about Okposo.
But please. Bringing up their age differnce as a reason not to trade him for Hemsky?
Hemsky is 26 years young! Read: just entering his prime. Not 36. There is just a several year difference between the players.
What is it about obscene age fixation on this board?
the more i think about it, the more i'm convinced that if anything comes of this, it's not going to be anything obvious, unless you count the isles not dealing the inmost core away to be a surprise. i say this because this team is not at the point where making a major move and trading youth away makes sense. if nothing else, Garth is full of sense. the offseason has not been flashy, but we've acted with purpose- other than that janks thing... (admittedly, i'm a fan of the snowman, but here's to hoping that jankowski was overrated...)
2011 first rounder for Hemsky? I think that would work for both sides, the Islanders have a ton of prospects, and the 2011 draft is weak. With Hemsky in the lineup I think the Islanders have a good team, and would make the playoffs.
2011 first rounder for Hemsky? I think that would work for both sides, the Islanders have a ton of prospects, and the 2011 draft is weak. With Hemsky in the lineup I think the Islanders have a good team, and would make the playoffs.
Think of the trade now from Edmonton's perspective.
When one team gets such a great deal, it usually means the other team is getting screwed. This is the case here.
First of all, I don't get the Hemsky love. He's a pretty good player, but he's not something to **** your pants about. I certainly wouldn't give Okposo for him.
Second of all, why the hell would Edmonton want to trade Hemsky? Especially for scraps, marginal players and picks? To get rid of Souray? Please, honky.
No wonder people on this board get all upset and angry over this kind of stuff... they get whipped up into thinking they're getting Hemsky, Penner and Souray because some ding dong rolled his balls across the keyboard and published it on his own website where they also ask for your money, then crap their pants in anger when it doesn't happen.
IMO if getting Hemsky hinged on Okposo I would give up Okposo.. I know there is serious man love on this board for Okposo. But Okposo could only hope to become the player that Ales Hemsky is already. Not to mention that Tavares and Hemsky would suit each other quite well as line mates..That line would be deadly.
A player coming off a couple of seriously injury riddled years like Hemsky? No I dont think he is. Over the last 4 seasons Hemsky has played 64, 74, 72, 22 games. Granted hes close to a point per game player but hes also 26 and making 4.1M. Okposo on the other hand isnt a point per game player yet but makes a fraction of what Hemsky makes is only 22 and still has a ton of upward potential.
Straight up, I wouldnt make that deal. Okposo is a more physical player with a better upside.
Seeing as this thread is rampant with speculation, some ridiculous, some not, I'll add mine.
I have a feeling we're adding Niemi to a 3-4 year deal. Then we're dealing Roloson to EDM. They have a need with Khabi in legal trouble. What we get back from EDM is what I can only guess, and no it's not going to be Hemsky. And it's certainly not going to be Souray. We're done tinkering with our D. I would love to see Winkler boy Dustin Penner coming over, but it's more likely something like Cogliano.
We all know Edmonton would like to move Souray. However, due to contract issues and coming off an underwhelming season, he's a guy who will be hard to move and it looks like Edmonton will have to bite the bullet on him in some respects in order to do so.
I don't see the Islanders picking him up.
Mind you, Dmen 2-5 are Whitney, Gilbert, Foster and Smid. Then AHLers
like Chorney and Peckham - guys who are on the cusp in a depth manner much like Kohn.
Up front, there seems to be a strong belief that Hall, Eberle, Paarjarvi-SV, and Omark are all NHL-ready and as such, it's easy to think that the Oil are looking to make space for them. Nilsson and Moreau are gone. Penner has a contract that makes him hard to move. That's even more so the case with Horcoff. Hemsky is extremely talented, but seems to have some injury every season and isn't exactly the goalscoring type. They also have a bit of a logjam of smaller centers. Cogliano is a great skater, but has seen production loss in three straight seasons since his rookie year. Heck, he didn't even outproduce Ryan Potulny despite having played 18 more games. Whoaa!
I suspect Edmonton would very much like to continue going with Brule and Gagner up the middle, where they are also probably damned to keep Horcoff.
What they need:
- Size down the middle
- Skilled size on the wing
- Defensive depth
- Solidify the goaltending situation
By the way, aside from Eberle's inspiring conclusion to the season, they had nobody of prospect note in Springfield last year.
I'd say realistically, Edmonton is only looking to move several of Souray, Penner, Hemsky, Horcoff and Cogliano, all of which are being paid a bit overly well for what they bring, with the exception of maybe Hemsky and Cogliano. When taking years until free agency and upside into account, who of them would we truly be willing to acquire at the cost of an important piece of our current line-up? We really don't have many players 'on the market', per se.
It's logical for folks like Eklund to link our teams considering the 'need to dump' and 'have lots of cap space' factors present.
I think if there is any deal here, it's us getting one of these guys at the expense of marginal players and picks.
I'll say this - I rarely think it's wise to trade a first rounder until you know you're pretty much X-player away from contending in the playoffs. There will be players to be had in the 2011 1st round.
The age does matter though....At 26, Hemsky is a UFA in two years. At 22, Okposo is under team control for 4 more years minimum.
Maybe NYI should trade Okposo for some 18 year old. After all, more years until free agency!
Again, I'm not arguing for this totally hypothetical deal (Okposo/Hemsky). But I cannot disagree more with the mindset you are endorsing.
Fear of free agency (multiple seasons down the road!) leads to an endless treadmill obsession with very young (read: inexperienced) hockey players. That is no basis for building a winning roster.
... (admittedly, i'm a fan of the snowman, but here's to hoping that jankowski was overrated...
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