I had my first visit to Montreal (plus one day in Quebec City).
I visited places like that big church on a hill, some overlook, the old port, chinatown, a science center type place and gardens, a park with a lake in it etc....watched fireworks..
I even ran into someone I met before in Bangkok in the subway...small world.
My favorite part was when I went shopping and found that you guys have all the best Oiler hats and lots of them. They are always sold out here, but I picked up 4 for $60.(I paid $45 for my last hat).
I know now where to go shopping for my Oilers stuff.
I was surprised everyone I talked to in English spoke english back, and I found people friendly and helpful.
I had heard horror stories, but it was only in Quebec City did I notice or experience that kind of thing.
BTW...I wore a "I love Montreal t-shirt" my friend bought me to Quebec City, and that seemed to attract some comments and hostility from a few guys in a couple incidents and I was only walking around the old city part for 3 hours LOL.
I sense there is a Calgary VS EDM type thing going on there I wasn't aware of eh?
Overall I had a good time and plan on going back next year.
Montreal-Quebec= Huge rivalry. Its like Boston/Montreal or Montreal Philly. But the only problem is that Mtl & Quebec are in the same country
"That big church on the hill" is called Oratoire St-Joseph. That huge building infront of it down hill- is my highschool
Montréal is a Bilingual city. Alot of people think we just speak French and we're annoying, but its a false perception. Montréal being a Metropole kinda forced in a indirect way the French people to speak English. Though, not to forget, i'd say around 40% of montréalers are Anglophones(somoeone correct me if im wrong)
Montreal-Quebec= Huge rivalry. Its like Boston/Montreal or Montreal Philly. But the only problem is that Mtl & Quebec are in the same country
"That big church on the hill" is called Oratoire St-Joseph. That huge building infront of it down hill- is my highschool
Montréal is a Bilingual city. Alot of people think we just speak French and we're annoying, but its a false perception. Montréal being a Metropole kinda forced in a indirect way the French people to speak English. Though, not to forget, i'd say around 40% of montréalers are Anglophones(somoeone correct me if im wrong)
Quebec has an inferiority complex towards Montreal.
So true, now the Mayor of Quebec Labaume want to be the next Jean Drapeau, a good Montreal Mayor who put the city budget in the red for a couple years because of Olympics (and Olympic stadium to say the least... hehe), and I think Expo 67 too.
Montreal-Quebec= Huge rivalry. Its like Boston/Montreal or Montreal Philly. But the only problem is that Mtl & Quebec are in the same country
"That big church on the hill" is called Oratoire St-Joseph. That huge building infront of it down hill- is my highschool
Montréal is a Bilingual city. Alot of people think we just speak French and we're annoying, but its a false perception. Montréal being a Metropole kinda forced in a indirect way the French people to speak English. Though, not to forget, i'd say around 40% of montréalers are Anglophones(somoeone correct me if im wrong)
Im happy you enjoyed your stay
Last I heard it was 10% are Anglo. Even in the West Island it's only like what 50%?
BTW...I wore a "I love Montreal t-shirt" my friend bought me to Quebec City, and that seemed to attract some comments and hostility from a few guys in a couple incidents and I was only walking around the old city part for 3 hours LOL.
You obviously missed the recent discussion we had on the topic - it can't have happened, because the Quebec inferiority complex is just a myth created by jealous Montrealers. So you're lying.
Of course, wear a "I love Quebec t-shirt" in Montreal and absolutely nobody will care nor notice.
Quebec City might be a better looking city, but if you had to choose one based purely on convenience, location, etc, would you really choose Quebec City? Sure it's a city not some small town, but it's not some where I'd want to live. Would much prefer Laval.
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You obviously missed the recent discussion we had on the topic - it can't have happened, because the Quebec inferiority complex is just a myth created by jealous Montrealers. So you're lying.
Of course, wear a "I love Quebec t-shirt" in Montreal and absolutely nobody will care nor notice.
Yeah it's a made up myth, that's why you're saying it is right?
Of course they have an inferiority complex, we're in Montreal and they're in Quebec City. What's there to not feel inferior about? Quebec City is inferior.
Last I heard it was 10% are Anglo. Even in the West Island it's only like what 50%?
Yeah but being bilingual is pretty much a requirement if you want to work downtown Montreal for pretty much any job besides government. There's also not many seperatist losers downtown Montreal who will refuse to speak English, they have their own little holes they live in.
Yeah but being bilingual is pretty much a requirement if you want to work downtown Montreal for pretty much any job besides government. There's also not many seperatist losers downtown Montreal who will refuse to speak English, they have their own little holes they live in.
Separatists generally have a higher level of culture than the rest of the population, are bilingual and have nothing against anglos or even Canada.
The only hatred remaining against anglos come from some regions that aren't separatist (Ora few old retards I've met in Montreal).
Yeah but being bilingual is pretty much a requirement if you want to work downtown Montreal for pretty much any job besides government. There's also not many seperatist losers downtown Montreal who will refuse to speak English, they have their own little holes they live in.
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Separatists generally have a higher level of culture than the rest of the population, are bilingual and have nothing against anglos or even Canada.
The only hatred remaining against anglos come from some regions that aren't separatist (Ora few old retards I've met in Montreal).
Great! The moronic extremists are in! This thread is full of promises.
Yeah but being bilingual is pretty much a requirement if you want to work downtown Montreal for pretty much any job besides government. There's also not many seperatist losers downtown Montreal who will refuse to speak English, they have their own little holes they live in.
Believe it or not working retail in the west island, I've come across many. When I first started working when I was younger my French was way worse than it is now, and that's saying a lot. So before I learned all the common phrases/words for the job, I was slow in French. We would get these blue collar workers who would come in who didn't speak a word of English so naturally I served them in French, to the best of my abilities. I didn't know what "straw" or "knife" were in French at the time, first couple weeks on the job. Stuff like that people would get so pissed. Often times I even knew the person could speak English but was just refusing to in order to be an *******. This one guy would be like "un paille un paille un paille UN PAILLE!!!!" angrily. I would turn to a co-worker, what the **** is a "paille" and then give him one. The dude would roll his eyes. From that day forward nothing was ever right with this customers order.
First of all at Tim Horton's we don't put the peanut butter on due to possible cross contamination. This guy would harass me to do it anyways which I wouldn't. Then in his coffee nothing was ever the right amount of cream. I think I would know being that I serve you every day and not only is the machine calibrated but I know what color you like your coffee, if it's the same or different from day to day. Without fail every single time the guy would give me a hard time. Often times even saying stuff like "this is Quebec, here you speak French" (but in French). By the first week of serving the guy I had all the words I needed to know and he still gave me a hard time for months afterwards lmao.
This is just one instance but it's happened many times before. The worst is when you're actually making an effort but for some people that isn't good enough. You'll say something as clearly as you can in French using the proper words even and they'll pretend like they still can't understand you, just because you aren't using a perfect accent or something. It's like a game to some people I guess.
I don't know about you guys but I don't mind serving somebody in either language but if somebody is trying to learn my language, rather then being a ***** and making them not want to care, I'm sympathetic and I do my best to have the conversation and understand them as best as I can. I don't understand why people make such a big deal about language. The same people who complain everyone should learn French are the same to shoot you down the first second you try and don't speak it perfectly. When you have learning disabilities and find languages very difficult to grasp, this can be quite infuriating.
A lot of people complain English people don't learn French or French people don't learn English, or complain about people who don't in general, but some people have a tough time learning and shooting them down isn't going to make them want to try any harder. I know a lot more French people are bilingual than English people are around here, but I've rarely seen a French person being ridiculed for attempting to speak English, but I've seen the opposite several times.
Great! The moronic extremists are in! This thread is full of promises.
Wow. No kidding eh?
lol.
To the OP, glad you broke a few myths. I wish Quebecers travelled a lot more within Canada and vise versa. I've done every province and wouldn't trade it in for a trip around the world. Canada is a fantastic place to visit. I haven't been anywhere where the vast majority of people aren't friendly. Very different from place to place, but always friendly. (at least to your face )
Believe it or not working retail in the west island, I've come across many. When I first started working when I was younger my French was way worse than it is now, and that's saying a lot. So before I learned all the common phrases/words for the job, I was slow in French. We would get these blue collar workers who would come in who didn't speak a word of English so naturally I served them in French, to the best of my abilities. I didn't know what "straw" or "knife" were in French at the time, first couple weeks on the job. Stuff like that people would get so pissed. Often times I even knew the person could speak English but was just refusing to in order to be an *******. This one guy would be like "un paille un paille un paille UN PAILLE!!!!" angrily. I would turn to a co-worker, what the **** is a "paille" and then give him one. The dude would roll his eyes. From that day forward nothing was ever right with this customers order.
For your customer, the fact that you were speaking bad french was a product of a personnal failing from your part ("you're just a stupid anglo who hasn't learned french) instead of a product of your environment (you just started).
That's called the "fundamental attribution error". It's a basic psychological observation. People tend to interpret the behavior of others as a consequence of personality, and their own behavior as a consequence of the environment.
