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This trade would basically be based on the premise that St. Louis is open to playing Pietrangelo in Peoria for a year. If they want an NHL spot for him, there likely isn't room to add a defenceman without sending one back. Of course, with Brewer on the team, there'd likely be room to bring him in once an injury happens. Bottom line though, St. Louis adds a top defenceman, improves their chances of being a competitive playoff team, and doesn't part with any of their breakout young players.
Toronto takes a huge gamble in this one, but I think highly enough of Boyes to see him bouncing back as a 30 goal talent. They need a goal scorer to take some heat off Kessel, and I could see Boyes working well on a second line with Versteeg. I'm not going to get into quibbling over picks and throw-ins. Thoughts?
id be fine with it, but i dont think the blues have kept pietrangelo down in juniors and benched with the big team over the past 2 years for him to waste a year in the ahl.
pretty sure he's playing with the big club. and after resigning CC, I cant see the blues going after kaberle.
Id much rather go back in time and not trade Brad Boyes et. al for Owen Nolan
I don't regret that deal at all. The Leafs had a cup contender that year, and Nolan was a great player. People cried about what we gave up for Leetch too, but we don't hear about that now that none of those players turned out.
Plus, he gets a free pass for rubbing that flu game against the Sens in.
St. Louis says no, again. I've seen this proposed about 5 times here now.
Dear Maple Leafs fans,
The Blues need scoring, not defense. You can not have Brad Boyes if your return is Tomas Kaberle. It does not address the Blues' needs.
IMO, Bozak and Boyes are too similar. Boyes has more of a scorer's approach while Bozak is more of a playmaker, but Tyler can score and Brad can pass.
Boyes is a $4M cap hit, 4 years older, and now clogs up space at center (Bozak, Kadri, Grabovski, Mitchell, Hanson...) - His production at wing is not good enoguh for a player who's soft
If Toronto wants a center, he has to be a noticeable upgrade from Bozak and Kadri. As well, Grabovski needs to go the other way in the deal.
IMO, Bozak and Boyes are too similar. Boyes has more of a scorer's approach while Bozak is more of a playmaker, but Tyler can score and Brad can pass.
Boyes is a $4M cap hit, 4 years older, and now clogs up space at center (Bozak, Kadri, Grabovski, Mitchell, Hanson...) - His production at wing is not good enoguh for a player who's soft
If Toronto wants a center, he has to be a noticeable upgrade from Bozak and Kadri. As well, Grabovski needs to go the other way in the deal.
Kaberle for Boyes? I say no.
leafs are looking for a winger that can score goals, that is boyes
I don't regret that deal at all. The Leafs had a cup contender that year, and Nolan was a great player. People cried about what we gave up for Leetch too, but we don't hear about that now that none of those players turned out.
Plus, he gets a free pass for rubbing that flu game against the Sens in.
That flu game was great to watch. The sens bench was dropping like flies as we came back from a 4-0 defecit to win the game. I never cried about the Leetch deal. I was just really attached to Alyn McCauley and knew Brad Boyes had 30 goal potential. If I am not mistaken didnt Nolan get hurt during that years playoff run anyway?
or was it the year after that he banged up his knee.
Id much rather go back in time and not trade Brad Boyes et. al for Owen Nolan
I didn't mind the deal. The Leafs had to make a move to go for a cup. They had a veteren team and were a contender in the East. I was screaming for them to do something at the time.
It didn't work, but they did exactly what I wanted at the time.
That flu game was great to watch. The sens bench was dropping like flies as we came back from a 4-0 defecit to win the game. I never cried about the Leetch deal. I was just really attached to Alyn McCauley and knew Brad Boyes had 30 goal potential. If I am not mistaken didnt Nolan get hurt during that years playoff run anyway?
or was it the year after that he banged up his knee.
I think it was the next year that he hurt his knee. McCauley was awesome, it's too bad he ran into injury trouble.
That's was a good trade, we give to the Rangers Jarkko Immonen(today play in FNL), Maxim Kondratiev(today play in KHL), a first round pick that become Kris Chucko(today play in AHL), and a second round pick.
Top-6 forward, probably with a weaker value than what it should be right now, but he could rebound and play well.
A change of scenery can do wonders for a player.
That being said, would St.Louis really want (more than likely) one year of Kaberle at the stage they're at right now?
I understand the idea is to let Pietrangelo play in Peoria for a year, but St.Louis could just as easily try and let Boyes bounce back for them, and play Pietrangelo/sign a depth defenseman. I think St.Louis is going to be a good team next year, but not good enough for the Cup, so I'm not sure if they'd want a vet offensive defenseman for one year.
Can HF make a rule that all kaberle proposals need to be approved before they can be posted
This is about the 10th time this same proposal has been posted, each time the blues say no and will continue to say no. The blues have no need for Kaberle the blues biggest issue is offense, yes i know kaberle adds offense but is not what the blues need. STL is not going to give up one of their best goal scorers (area of weakness) for a defense men (area of strength). Also the Blues dont have a realistic chance of making a run at the cup this yr so why would they want a 1 yr rental they have a 0% chance of resigning.
Top-6 forward, probably with a weaker value than what it should be right now, but he could rebound and play well.
A change of scenery can do wonders for a player.
That being said, would St.Louis really want (more than likely) one year of Kaberle at the stage they're at right now?
I understand the idea is to let Pietrangelo play in Peoria for a year, but St.Louis could just as easily try and let Boyes bounce back for them, and play Pietrangelo/sign a depth defenseman. I think St.Louis is going to be a good team next year, but not good enough for the Cup, so I'm not sure if they'd want a vet offensive defenseman for one year.
Value-wise, its probably not bad if there is a chance Kaberle would re-sign. Indications are that he wants an Eastern team, though, so this has to be viewed as a one year rental.
In that case, it makes little sense for the Blues:
1) It creates a hole in the "scoring winger" department which is already one of the Blues biggest needs (if not THE biggest).
2) It probably delays the development of Pietro (although I think its possible they could both fit on the roster). There is no question it would improve the Blues' defense this season...but at this point in the team's progression of rebuilding it seems dissonant.
So....no thanks. I think the Blues are pretty well set with what they've got. There is tons of cap room (although maybe not any actual money) to make in-season/deadline deals. But other than possibly another 3rd/4th line forward I don't see any more moves by the Blues. They're going to play all the young guys and see what they've got.
Finally, PLEASE stop trying to morph a semi-reasonable trade proposal into a deal for Backes. The Blues are not dealing him. I expect him to be re-signed to a long-term deal this season and named the Captain sometime before the beginning of next season (maybe as soon as this year's camp). If for some reason he was refusing to re-sign....which goes totally contrary to his character as we know it, THEN he may be a tradeable asset. But he's going to be a long-term Blue and a completely inappropriate proposal in return for a RENTAL.
That flu game was great to watch. The sens bench was dropping like flies as we came back from a 4-0 defecit to win the game. I never cried about the Leetch deal. I was just really attached to Alyn McCauley and knew Brad Boyes had 30 goal potential. If I am not mistaken didnt Nolan get hurt during that years playoff run anyway?
or was it the year after that he banged up his knee.
my wife and i were at that game sitting behind lalime. nolan in ot and the leafs fans rocked scotiabank place. {corel center then}
