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Johnson - Brewer
Pietriangelo - Jackman
Colaiacovo - Polak/Cole
they don't need Kaberle
Didn't Brewer sign with Florida yesterday and Pietriangelo isn't even proven himself in the nhl(I'm not saying he isn't going to be a great player). But taking all the into consideration, the blues defense is not set!
P.S. I am not saying Kaberle should be going to the blues, just saying their D isn't set.
As a leaf fan, that would be a nice return for Kaberle. Boyes has the ability to score some goals, but from the Blues perspective, they're not in a position to lose Boyes goals especially since kariya left this summer too.
So which defenseman do you want to take back so the Blues have room for Kaberle, Brewer or Jackman?
The deal doesn't sound too appetizing now does it?
I don't know about that. Why would taking Jackman be such a bad thing? He's a useful player. Brewer is less useful, and I worry about injuries, but he's better than Finger, and might be tradeable at the deadline.
Didn't Brewer sign with Florida yesterday and Pietriangelo isn't even proven himself in the nhl(I'm not saying he isn't going to be a great player). But taking all the into consideration, the blues defense is not set!
P.S. I am not saying Kaberle should be going to the blues, just saying their D isn't set.
Didn't Brewer sign with Florida yesterday and Pietriangelo isn't even proven himself in the nhl(I'm not saying he isn't going to be a great player). But taking all the into consideration, the blues defense is not set!
P.S. I am not saying Kaberle should be going to the blues, just saying their D isn't set.
Mike Weaver signed with Florida. Pietrangelo is supposed to be a stud. It isn't guaranteed that he will be, but he looked pretty darn good in the 18 games he has played
IMO, Bozak and Boyes are too similar. Boyes has more of a scorer's approach while Bozak is more of a playmaker, but Tyler can score and Brad can pass.
Boyes is a $4M cap hit, 4 years older, and now clogs up space at center (Bozak, Kadri, Grabovski, Mitchell, Hanson...) - His production at wing is not good enoguh for a player who's soft
If Toronto wants a center, he has to be a noticeable upgrade from Bozak and Kadri. As well, Grabovski needs to go the other way in the deal.
Kaberle for Boyes? I say no.
I believe you contradicted yourself with the bolded statements, and Boyes is a winger not a center.
Anyways, Blues pass. The Blues would be trading from their biggest need which is goal scoring and getting a d-man which they have a surplus of right now.
St. Louis says no, again. I've seen this proposed about 5 times here now.
Dear Maple Leafs fans,
The Blues need scoring, not defense. You can not have Brad Boyes if your return is Tomas Kaberle. It does not address the Blues' needs.
Thanks,
Me.
this. this exactly. The Blues are offensively DESPERATE!!! for a trade to happen, BOTH teams need to be interested.
this. this exactly. The Blues are offensively DESPERATE!!! for a trade to happen, BOTH teams need to be interested.
I blamed their miserable offense last year more on a poor transition game than anything else. You think it was just a lack of finish that was the real problem offensively for the Blues?
I blamed their miserable offense last year more on a poor transition game than anything else. You think it was just a lack of finish that was the real problem offensively for the Blues?
you're right about the transition game but since it was Johnson's first year back after missing a season and because of Pietrangelo not playing a full season, I think fans would rather give that duo a shot as opposed to trading from our biggest disappointment last season (our offense) to beef up the transition.
I blamed their miserable offense last year more on a poor transition game than anything else. You think it was just a lack of finish that was the real problem offensively for the Blues?
It wasn't the transition game that was bad for the Blues last year, but totally due to finishing. Under Murray the PP for the 1st half of the season was bottom of the league - we were getting chances, just not putting them away - the movement was really good, but they just couldn't score. Take a look at Boyes shooting %, then Berglunds, then Backes and you get the idea.
Shoot, Boyes couldn't miss a goalie if the goalie was hiding behind the net. Always right into his belly.
Didn't Brewer sign with Florida yesterday and Pietriangelo isn't even proven himself in the nhl(I'm not saying he isn't going to be a great player). But taking all the into consideration, the blues defense is not set!
P.S. I am not saying Kaberle should be going to the blues, just saying their D isn't set.
Weaver signed with Florida yesterday. And the Blues D IS set.
Not quite like what he said, but they are set. Expect to see something like this ;
Brewer - Johnson
Jackman - Polak
Colaiacovo - Pietrangelo
Strachan/Nikitin
The only way we deal for a defensemen is if he's at the AHL level or we move a defensemen as well. We have no space for Kaberle, especially at the cost of Boyes.
I think its a good idea and its similar value, but while it feels a Leafs need, it doesn't fill the Blues need. No need to flame this one, but in the end, I doubt St. Louis fans agree.
This is actualy a good deal for both sides..... the problem is that as mentioned.... neither team does in its current form.
STL is short on scoring wingers (wich Boyes is now) and his 42 points are a big reason why they didn't make the playoffs. Obviusly Kaberle would elevate their transition game and make every forward they have better, but that may not be enough, and he could walk in a year. He'll prolbably also elevate teh game of Eric Brewer singificantly, and be a good mentor for Alex Pietrangelo who will most likely see spot duty this yearm. But, they are parting with a ton of offensive potential and must be prepared to acccept much less than they would've gotten offers for him a year ago.
In Toronto, 42 point Brad Boyes is definitely not the solution, but 72 point Brad Boyes would be a dann good one.... play him on a 2nd line with Versteeg on the left most likely. Problem is that they can't trade Kaberle fro a guy who who may be Lee Stempniak 2.0.
As for how they fix the deal, I think that somehow, they've gotta find a way to get Toronto a crappier puckmoving blueliner, and St. Louis a slightly crappier winger....Obviously this doesn't seem to be that possible.... but.....
What if we made this a 3-team trade hahahaha...
To SJ - Barrett Jackman, Juraj Mikus
To STL - Tomas Kaberle, Devin Setoguchi, SJ 2nd Round Pick
To TOR - Brad Boyes, Kent Hunskins, STL 1st Round Pick (Top 10 Protected)
Why Tor does it: Get a guy who has scored 40 on a bad team and had a 70 point season, is only 28 with 2 years left on his deal at $4m, a capapble NHL defenceman that allows them to move Finger to the minors (obviously prefer he wasnt in the deal, but SJ needs to clear cap). Out: Kaberle ($4.25), Mikus (.7). In: Boyes (4), Huskins (1.7). Total: +750k
Why SJ does it: Get a proven #2/3 two way defenceman while only adding $2m in salary on the blueline. Lose Seto, but he's likely replacable and now have a ton of cap space to sign Niemi and maybe bring in a guy like Stempniak. Out: Setoguchi (1.8), Huskins (1.7). In: Jackman (3.6), guy like Stempniak (1.5). Total +1.6
Why STL does it: Upgrade on a defenceman that will improve thier team immidiately, and go from Boyes to Setoguchi, a pretty significant cap savings while getting the young scoring winger they need. Even if Kaberle/Brewer walk, they haven't touched their young core, had an excellent mentor for the year (that hopefully got them into the playoffs), and a prospect defenceman that can problably play in 11-12. Plus, a ton of cap and salary space. Out: Jackman (3.6), Boyes (4). In: Kaberle (4.25), Setoguchi (1.8). Total = - 1.55
However, the Blues are on a cap, and they actually save more than this because Boyes' acctual salary is $4.5 and Jackman's is $4m. The real savings for the Blues ends up being $2.5m. this year.
Last edited by seanlinden: 08-04-2010 at 09:42 PM.
Alternatively....
Just send Boyes + Jackman for Kaberle + D'Amigo + Stefanovich.... and free up $4.25m in salary space to add free agents to Bolster the offence. Leafs then flip Jackman away to the highest bidder (or keep him).
Last edited by seanlinden: 08-04-2010 at 11:36 PM.
Alternatively....
Just send Boyes + Jackman for Kaberle.... and free up $4.25m in salary space to add free agents to Bolster the offence. Leafs then flip Jackman away to the highest bidder (or keep him).
Sharks might trade Seto + Huskins + a 2nd for Jackman. They were willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for Niklas Hjalmarsson at approximately the same price...
Alternatively....
Just send Boyes + Jackman for Kaberle + D'Amigo + Stefanovich.... and free up $4.25m in salary space to add free agents to Bolster the offence. Leafs then flip Jackman away to the highest bidder (or keep him).
Not a fan. It would make the Blues better for this season, but Kaberle probably walks at the end of the season. Plus Brewer's contract is up after next season, so there is a possibility of two huge wholes in the defensive core next offseason.
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