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08-04-2010, 02:33 PM
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Bernier

I was curious how many games Kings fans think it will take before Bernier is the team's starter over Quick.

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120 at least

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I see Bernier getting 20-30 games this season which means Quick will be the number 1 for the season. Im hoping the competition for the crease will only help both of them.

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120 at least

you are joking right?

I'm going to say 30 games. The two split the first 60 games, Bernier gets the #1 gig after that to close out the season and go into the playoffs as the #1. If he falters in the playoffs(doubt it), they can go back to Quick.

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I think Bernier is #1 by the trade deadline.

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08-04-2010, 03:07 PM
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I think Bernier is #1 by the trade deadline.
Exactly what I was going to say. I think Quick will start out the season with the most games, but once he goes into a slump, they will count on Bernier more and more until around the trade deadline. Then he will completely take the reins into the playoffs. That being said, with these two, neither one will be a #1 like Quick was last year. Because we now have two great goalies, I see a more 1A-1B situation until one of them really pulls away.

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I think it'll be just like Niemi in Chicago, slowly go from back-up to co-number one and then in the playoffs take over the top job.

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I think Bernier is #1 by the trade deadline.
yup.

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08-04-2010, 03:45 PM
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Well, provided Terry Murray gives Bernier more playing time than Ersberg (and it seems like he will), you'll see a gradual change. If Quick is well-rested and on top of his game (like the beginning half of the season), it could take longer. Regardless, this is a fantastic problem to have. I would love to have both for a couple of seasons in a 1A/1B type situation. By the end of that value for both will be extremely high.

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you are joking right?
Not at all. Quick has already proven he can be the #1 for a whole season. Bernier has proven zero at the NHL level. I expect Bernier to get 20-25 starts, but if Quick continues to perform decently, I wouldn't expect a change.

Given the team's reluctance to rush Bernier, I don't expect him to take over the #1 any time soon.

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08-04-2010, 04:15 PM
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LOL @ the people saying we trade Quick at the deadline . . .

Bernier plays 20 games . . MAX

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SRSLY, why trade Quick when we have him for 3 seasons at 1.8 . . . PROVEN #1 Goalie at 1.8 and you guys' want to trade him . . .

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It all depends on how Quick plays.

Bernier won't get a chance to be the starter unless Quick slips.

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Nobody said that Quick is being traded, just that Bernier will be the #1.

If Bernier outperforms Quick he is going to play. Period.

I think there is a good chance that bernier shines. They are not going to keep playing Quick for ***** and grins if he is being outplayed.

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SRSLY, why trade Quick when we have him for 3 seasons at 1.8 . . . PROVEN #1 Goalie at 1.8 and you guys' want to trade him . . .
Value. If Bernier does indeed prove himself as a more than adequate replacement, there are other more glaring holes to fill on this team.

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08-04-2010, 04:40 PM
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Quick gets himself in a few slumps so the job is berniers to take.

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I was curious how many games Kings fans think it will take before Bernier is the team's starter over Quick.
... It should be a 1/1A situation right out of the gate. With a smaller workload, Quick should post better results than he did last season (which were not impressive despite the misleading win total) and Bernier will only benefit from the added experience.

From that point, it should simply be a situation where the better man gets the extra time.

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08-04-2010, 05:08 PM
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LOL @ the people saying we trade Quick at the deadline . . .

Bernier plays 20 games . . MAX
At least for me, when I said Bernier would be the #1 at trade deadline, that didn't mean we would trade Quick, it simply means he would ride the pine more than playing. I used the trade deadline as just a point in the season, if it makes it better, March.

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Bernier should get 20-25 games this year with Quick taking the rest.

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... It should be a 1/1A situation right out of the gate. With a smaller workload, Quick should post better results than he did last season (which were not impressive despite the misleading win total) and Bernier will only benefit from the added experience.

From that point, it should simply be a situation where the better man gets the extra time.
I hope so but i dont trust TM very much, so i think Bernier will only play about 25 games. I hope im wrong!

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Quick loses 6-3 in Van, Bernier wins 3-1 the next night.

Who starts home opener?

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Depends on how bad the coaching staff/management wants to win. If they want to win really really bad.. Bernier should be the guy out of the gate.

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I got my money on Bernier being the #1 by the end of training camp.

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I think we are in a very nice position. Quick earned his #1 status and would have instilled more confidence in all of us if Murray wouldn't have overplayed and exhausted him. Bernier was a stud in Jr's, as well as the AHL, but still has to pay his dues.

Quick 50 - 55 games with Bernier playing 30ish.

Quick has played very well over the las 1 1/2 years in a position that usually does not produce quality players until their later 20's. The L.A fanbase as a whole needs to give the kid a little slack and realize just what he has accomplished and the enviroment he accomplished it in. As mentioned above 3 years at 1.8 is a bargain in todays NHL.

Bernier for the las 2 years has been brough up the righ way. There is no need to rush the kid. Let him earn his time. This last year he showed us what he could do in the AHL with his head screwed on straight and did not dissapoint in a limited NHL stint. Let him back up/ but push Quick this season. He shows every indication of being a future stud. Lets not get caught up in if he plays 20 games this year or 40.

This is the best Kings goaltending has ever looked considering we are covered at all levels

Quick/Bernier
Zatkoff/Jones
Berube etc

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I hope so but i dont trust TM very much, so i think Bernier will only play about 25 games. I hope im wrong!
... The reason why you (and I and a lot of people) don't trust Terry Murray on this is because he is stuck in a backwards way of thinking when it comes to handling young players; in this case young goalies. Furthermore, you know that this backwards way of thinking has been repeated over and over, because fans subscribe to it. Case in point ...

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Bernier was a stud in Jr's, as well as the AHL, but still has to pay his dues.
... Never mind that Bernier played almost four times as many games (134) as Quick played (34) in the AHL, or that Bernier's number of games at lower levels (218) are significantly higher than Quick's (153).

Quick had the good fortune of: first, a situation where he could step in and play in 08-09 because the team in front of him wasn't going anywhere, and the goalies who preceded him had fell out of favor -- and second, cementing himself as the #1 in 09-10 because he was the beneficiary of the team around him improving, and was able to post a high victory count by virtue of the fact that he played almost all of the team's games in the season.

So, those two factors have now placed upon Quick the "proven" label -- which seems to strike such a chord with head coaches, like Murray, who aren't confident enough in their own ability to take a chance on a goalie like Bernier, who has MORE than paid his dues, simply because he doesn't have that "proven" label attached to him. He sticks with the guy who has the "proven" label so that he can have an answer for his bosses and the media when they ask him why he's continuing to work (and overwork) a guy who clearly showed himself to be a lower-tier goalie as the season wore on. If you look through the history of hockey, you'll find that the successful coaches, the WINNING coaches, by and large don't do this. Do you think that Scotty Bowman in the 90s or Glen Sather in the 80s would have given a damn if their bosses or the media said that this player or that goalie shouldn't play because they weren't ready? Bowman or Sather (or any other head coach worthy of the title) would have laughed and told their bosses or the press to go sleep it off.

In 1984-85, the Montreal Canadiens had a 23-year-old goalie named Steve Penney, who led the NHL in goals against average, and in shutouts. He was sixth in the NHL in wins, and sixth in games played. Despite all that, Canadiens' coach Jean Perron had enough confidence to play a 20-year-old in net in 1985-86, a man who had exactly 20 minutes of NHL experience. And that goalie, Patrick Roy, won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the Canadiens won the 1986 Stanley Cup.

The Kings have a 25-year-old goalie who appeared on the leaderboards of the NHL last season. Despite that, do they have the confidence to play the less experienced 22-year-old goalie, to see what he is capable of accomplishing? We'll see.

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