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07-30-2010, 05:40 AM
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Kings Roster - Are we in more trouble than we thought?

From my estimations, we have some gaping holes in our roster. We had a playoff team last year - how much of that team have we lost?

Players Added:
Alexei Ponikarovsky

Players Lost:
Sean O'Donnell
Alexander Frolov
Raitis Ivanans (a positive)
Freddy Modin
Randy Jones (a positive)
Jeff Halpern

Players Injured (to start the season):
Matt Greene
Kevin Westgarth

Potential rookies that could make the cut:
Brayden Schenn
Jake Muzzin
Thomas Hickey
Alec Martinez
Oscar Moller

I've been trying to piece together the starting roster for next season and here is what I have come up with...

Smyth-Kopitar-Williams
Richardson-Stoll-Brown
Ponikarovsky-Handzus-Simmonds
Clune-xxx-Parse

Doughty-Scuderi
Johnson-xxx
Drewiske-xxx

A couple of questions I would like to raise...
  • Can we really have three rookies on defense?
  • What will our fourth line look like?
  • Where does Richardson fit in?
  • Is Parse a fourth-line player?
  • We are severely missing a second-line left wing, and have an abundance of third line centers (Richardson, Handzus, Stoll)... who can/should play wing, and where?
  • Can this roster lead us to the playoffs?
  • How many of you would consider bringing back Patrick O'Sullivan or Ladislav Nagy on a one-year contract?
  • What will happen to Erik Ersberg?

Obvious areas that need an upgrade...
Second line center, second line left wing, bottom pairing defenseman, one top-4 defenseman.

Anything else?


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07-30-2010, 06:38 AM
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From my estimations, we have some gaping holes in our roster. We had a playoff team last year - how much of that team have we lost?

Players Added:
Alexei Ponikarovsky

Players Lost:
Sean O'Donnell
Alexander Frolov
Raitis Ivanans (a positive)
Freddy Modin
Randy Jones (a positive)
Jeff Halpern

Players Injured (to start the season):
Matt Greene
Kevin Westgarth

Potential rookies that could make the cut:
Brayden Schenn
Jake Muzzin
Thomas Hickey
Alec Martinez
Oscar Moller

I've been trying to piece together the starting roster for next season and here is what I have come up with...

Smyth-Kopitar-Williams
Richardson-Stoll-Brown
Ponikarovsky-Handzus-Simmonds
Clune-xxx-Parse

Doughty-Scuderi
Johnson-xxx
Drewiske-xxx

A couple of questions I would like to raise...
  • Can we really have three rookies on defense?
  • What will our fourth line look like?
  • Where does Richardson fit in?
  • Is Parse a fourth-line player?
  • We are severely missing a second-line left wing, and have an abundance of third line centers (Richardson, Handzus, Stoll)... who can/should play wing, and where?
  • Can this roster lead us to the playoffs?
  • How many of you would consider bringing back Patrick O'Sullivan or Ladislav Nagy on a one-year contract?
  • What will happen to Erik Ersberg?

Obvious areas that need an upgrade...
Second line center, second line left wing, bottom pairing defenseman, one top-4 defenseman.

Anything else?
What about signing Stempniak/Afingenov and Sutton.

Will Kozun play in the AHL this season?

I'm optimistic, so i think Lombardi would make a good trade today or sign a player from the free agenzy market.


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07-30-2010, 07:57 AM
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While slightly concerned, I haven't pushed the panic button yet. IMO, Schenn makes the varsity squad this year, starts on the 4th line, and ends up on the 2nd line by the end of the year. I see that as an upgrade over last year.

On the back end, Harrold and Drewiske will be serviceable for a month. It would be nice to add another defenseman, but surely one of our 4 or 5 shots at a 5 - 6 defenseman will pan out (Hickey, Voynov, Franson, Muzzin, Martinez) if we don't sign anyone else.

If anything, I see the kids coming to camp hungry knowing they have a shot to contribute early.

Besides, DD and JJ are good for 28 mins a game for the first month. Scuds can go 22 mins. Thats 78 mins right there. The other 3 defensemen need to split 42 mins. Thats 14 mins per person. We'll be OK. Should we be concerned? Yes. Panic? No.

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07-30-2010, 08:10 AM
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Before Greene's injury we needed a top 4 "D" and with him being out does that mean we now need 2?

Depending on 2 rookies is either asking too much or asking for trouble. Being negative? I think not. Just a fact.

Concerned, yes. Panic, not yet.

With Westgarth out we now need the following:
-2 Defensman
- 1 2nd line center
- 1 top 6 forward
- 1 winger that brings toughness.

We'll see what Dean does and how the kids progress.

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Before Greene's injury we needed a top 4 "D" and with him being out does that mean we now need 2?

Depending on 2 rookies is either asking too much or asking for trouble. Being negative? I think not. Just a fact.

Concerned, yes. Panic, not yet.

With Westgarth out we now need the following:
-2 Defensman
- 1 2nd line center
- 1 top 6 forward
- 1 winger that brings toughness.

We'll see what Dean does and how the kids progress.
I believe that Clifford could take Westgarths role.

-2 Defensman > Sutton & Oduya
- 1 2nd line center > Schenn
- 1 top 6 forward > Afinogenov/Stempniak
- 1 winger that brings toughness. > Clifford

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07-30-2010, 08:28 AM
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I believe that Clifford could take Westgarths role.

-2 Defensman > Sutton & Oduya
- 1 2nd line center > Schenn
- 1 top 6 forward > Afinogenov/Stempniak
- 1 winger that brings toughness. > Clifford
Not bad.

My only concern is with Sutton and Oduya I just don't know what their foot speed is like.

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I believe that Clifford could take Westgarths role.

-2 Defensman > Sutton & Oduya
- 1 2nd line center > Schenn
- 1 top 6 forward > Afinogenov/Stempniak
- 1 winger that brings toughness. > Clifford
Oduya? Did I miss something?

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Oduya? Did I miss something?
We could trade Stoll + Martinez for Oduya.

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Smyth-Kopitar-Williams
Richardson-Stoll-Brown
Ponikarovsky-Handzus-Simmonds
Clune-xxx-Parse

Doughty-Scuderi
Johnson-xxx
Drewiske-xxx

A couple of questions I would like to raise...
  • Can we really have three rookies on defense?
  • What will our fourth line look like?
  • Where does Richardson fit in?
  • Is Parse a fourth-line player?
  • We are severely missing a second-line left wing, and have an abundance of third line centers (Richardson, Handzus, Stoll)... who can/should play wing, and where?
  • Can this roster lead us to the playoffs?
  • How many of you would consider bringing back Patrick O'Sullivan or Ladislav Nagy on a one-year contract?
  • What will happen to Erik Ersberg?


Anything else?
1. any chance Hickey makes the team? He's 21 now w/ 2 yrs of juniors behind him. Is it too much to expect a #4 overall pick to play after 2 years? maybe it is...

2. the #1 line puts a lot of pressure on two older forwards Smyth and Williams. I doubt they will have an injury-free year. Front line ES scoring is still a huge concern. As of right now, scoring is the same or weaker, with no obvious help on the way (Kovy a 500:1 shot) - unless if Williams is a more-than-pleasant surprise.

3. Ersberg? good question... It seems to be "assumed by many" that Bernier will make the team. Any chance of Bernier playing another year in Manchester? Probably not...? Whatever direction goaltending takes, I would like to see the #1 start no more than 50 or 55 games. Quick was tired late last season and in the POs.

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We could trade Stoll + Martinez for Oduya.
No way that happens. Why don't you try putting this up on the main board as a trade proposal and see what type of feedback you get.

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No way that happens. Why don't you try putting this up on the main board as a trade proposal and see what type of feedback you get.
It's already up on the main board, and I think there was an Atlanta fan that came up with this proposal.

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uh, the off season still has 2 months to go, really no need to think we are in trouble until Lombardi is finished

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It's already up on the main board, and I think there was an Atlanta fan that came up with this proposal.
You are correct in that its up on the main board, but I think this quote sums up the situation.

"Oduya is a valuable part of the top 4 defenseman in Atlanta. He played very well with Ron Hainsey and I don't think the team can afford to lose his experience especially after the departure of Kubina to free agency and Valabik still injured."

Besides, don't we have another thread for trade speculation? I thought this was about the current Kings roster and whether or not it was in trouble.

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I'm not really worried.

The guys lost to FA were spare parts for the most part that can easily be replaced, with the exception of Frolov, who will basically be replaced by Poni (they're not the same player, but statistically it's a wash, almost).

I don't really think an enforcer is truly needed, and we can afford to wait for Westy (you know that's going to be his stupid nickname).

Losing Greene hurts, but there are enough kids and serviceable guys on roster, though adding a stay at home guy for cheap probably wouldn't hurt, though I'm not really sure who's still available out there.

The 2nd line LW is still somewhat up for grabs (Poni being talked about basically taking Frolov's spot with Handzus and Simmonds)... there's still some FA's out there that could fit the bill, if they were willing to do a short term deal. I'm not a huge fan of Afinegenov (Sp...) but he does have a lot of speed, something the team has lacked for a while, so I wouldn't be opposed to giving him a 1 year crack at it.

So, yea with the injuries, there's some concerns, but I don't think there's any reason to panic with the guys we currently have.

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I'm not worried at all.

Some of the same people who are worried now were the ones saying that the Kings were a lottery pick or at best a black-hole team last year.

As long as Doughty is healthy, the Kings will make the playoffs.

Bernier > Ersberg and will play, at minimum, 20-30 games. This should also keep Quick at the top of his game now that his job could be in jeopardy. I'm sure he was never worried about Ersberg taking his job.

The Kings are more of a system based team and Murray is still the coach. This is now year 3 of his coaching and most are now very familiar with the system and will react faster to changing situations. They don't have to think as much now that the system is more ingrained in their psyche.

Almost everyone feels that drafting and scouting are Dean's strong points as a GM, shouldn't we see how the kids perform before acquiring more "bridges"? I'm fine with using the kids and Fransson on defense. It's time to see who is ready before the Kings are truly Stanley Cup contenders.

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I'm not worried at all.
Me either.

This title is exaggerative IMO.

The Kings also didn't really lose Halpern and Modin either. They didn't get he team to the playoffs. They were already in that position before the trading deadline.

Yes, we do need to add a d-man to replace OD. I am also confident that will happen before October.

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also not worried at all

Kopitar + Doughty + Bernier/Quick is good enough to get us in the playoffs

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Players Lost:
Sean O'Donnell
Alexander Frolov
Raitis Ivanans (a positive)
Freddy Modin
Randy Jones (a positive)
Jeff Halpern
... You forgot to put "(a positive)" after Jeff Halpern's name.

And people will be shocked at how much better the Kings look with Bernier in the net for 55-60 games as opposed to Quick in the net for 70+.

I don't really expect too much of a falloff offensively, anyway. I still think Kopitar is capable of more production. Smyth will probably net 25 if he stays healthy. Stoll is certainly going to score more than 16. Ponikarovsky will probably get 20. And I'm convinced that the sky's the limit for Simmonds; he's going to burn up the league if given a genuine opportunity to do so.

Johnson will have a better overall season in 10-11. If the Kings stop farting around with Harrold and just leave him on the third defensive pairing, he will have a decent enough season. I think Voynov's ready for a chance to show what he can do. I agree with those who say the Kings need to acquire a solid defenseman to round out their six. They're going to miss O'Donnell more than they realize.

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I will go on record right now and say the the guy that EVERYONE forgets about (including the OP under players added) will make the team this year. Johan Fransson will be a King on October 9th. Take it to the bank.

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1. any chance Hickey makes the team? He's 21 now w/ 2 yrs of juniors behind him. Is it too much to expect a #4 overall pick to play after 2 years? maybe it is...
Possible, but missing almost the entire year in his first pro season in the AHL didn't do his development curve any favors.

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2. the #1 line puts a lot of pressure on two older forwards Smyth and Williams. I doubt they will have an injury-free year. Front line ES scoring is still a huge concern. As of right now, scoring is the same or weaker, with no obvious help on the way (Kovy a 500:1 shot) - unless if Williams is a more-than-pleasant surprise.
Williams has been injury prone, sure, but to be considered an "older" forward? Poor guy is only 28.

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3. Ersberg? good question... It seems to be "assumed by many" that Bernier will make the team. Any chance of Bernier playing another year in Manchester? Probably not...? Whatever direction goaltending takes, I would like to see the #1 start no more than 50 or 55 games. Quick was tired late last season and in the POs.
Doubtful that he'd be back in Manchester.

They sent him down there with the directive to up his play and lead the team, which he did. To then turn around and not give him his shot at the NHL-level after he did what was asked would probably sour the relationship between the team and player.

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I will go on record right now and say the the guy that EVERYONE forgets about will make the team this year. Johan Fransen will be a King on October 9th. Take it to the bank.
Fransson?

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I also believe Fransson will be a King.

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I'm not worried at all. In Dean I Trust

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Fransson?
Yes. He's a 25 year old Swedish puck moving defenseman that DL signed to a one year deal this summer. A lot of teams were in the hunt for him. Here is a sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djjRuLxf2lI

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