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08-05-2010, 06:44 PM
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Sharks re-sign Derek Joslin 1 year $500k, 2-way deal

http://sharks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=535584

That finishes the list of RFAs.


So, it's down to some potential UFAs (including graduated, drafted players, unsigned by 8/15).

Sharks have 46 NHL contracts and 2 AHL contracts.

Guessing that means another 5 or so potential signees.

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Heh, just when I looked at Capgeek and was starting to think they'll let him go... I wanna know the $$$.

edit: just wondering, which are the AHL contracts?

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edit: just wondering, which are the AHL contracts?
Quirk, DaSilva

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Sounds like he will get another look this season then, Hope he impresses this could be his last chance.

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Another question - do AHL only contracts pay more than the two-way contracts (at the AHL level)?

For instance, common two way contracts are: 65k for AHL, 500k for NHL. If you sign an AHL only contract, is your salary bigger than 65k, since you don't have a chance of making the big bucks in the NHL?

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Another question - do AHL only contracts pay more than the two-way contracts (at the AHL level)?

For instance, common two way contracts are: 65k for AHL, 500k for NHL. If you sign an AHL only contract, is your salary bigger than 65k, since you don't have a chance of making the big bucks in the NHL?
Sometimes. But not usually. Often those on AHL deals are "career minor leaguers" and some lower quality/ability players.

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Gottcha, thanks. It's kind amazing they make so little. It's basically like a regular job, not a high reward for great talent.

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According to @Jay_Gold_, Joslin's deal is 2 way.

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Another question - do AHL only contracts pay more than the two-way contracts (at the AHL level)?

For instance, common two way contracts are: 65k for AHL, 500k for NHL. If you sign an AHL only contract, is your salary bigger than 65k, since you don't have a chance of making the big bucks in the NHL?
AHL contracts (*) are still subject to the $105K limit for Re-Entry waivers. If a player on an AHL SPC (with a salary above the Re-Entry Waiver limit) signs an SPC with that AHL team's NHL affiliate they are subject to Re-Entry waivers - just as if he had been playing on loan on a two-way NHL SPC.

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Originally Posted by CBA Article 50.9(g)(iii)
(iii) For a Player on an AHL contract with a Minor League Salary and
compensation that could be earned in excess of the applicable
amount set forth above in this Section 50.9(g), who signs an NHL
SPC for the same season with the AHL team's NHL affiliated
Club, the Player must first clear the new Re-EntryWaiver
procedure, pursuant to which the Player can be claimed by another
unaffiliated NHL team for fifty (50) percent of the SPC's
remaining amounts to be paid, with the balance to be paid by and
charged to the original NHL affiliated Club signing the contract
(both amounts to be counted against each Club's Upper Limit,
Actual Club Salary, and Averaged Club Salary and counted against
the Players' Share).
(*) There is a Veteran Minor League Player exemption to the Re-Entry Waiver rules:

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The Re-Entry Waiver procedure will not, however, be applicable to
Veteran Minor League Players defined as follows: (i) for goaltenders, Players who
have: (A) played in 180 or more professional games in North America (NHL, AHL
and ECHL), and (B) not spent more than 80 NHL games on NHL roster over the
prior two (2) seasons or more than 40 NHL games on NHL roster in the
immediately prior season; and (ii) for defensemen and forwards, Players who have:
(A) played in 320 or more professional games in North America (NHL, AHL and
ECHL), and (B) not spent more than 80 NHL games on NHL roster over the prior
two (2) seasons or more than 40 NHL games on NHL roster in the immediately
prior season.
This was added after the CBA was originally approved under threat of anti-trust lawsuit from the PHPA (the AHL Players Association) who argued that Re-Entry waivers acted as a defacto salary cap for AHL players who were not subject to the NHL/NHLPA CBA.

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What else is there left to see?

Not good enough.

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What else is there left to see?

Not good enough.
He's 23. I think he's got time. lol

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He's 23. I think he's got time. lol
To dabble in AHL hockey? Yes, I agree.

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To dabble in AHL hockey? Yes, I agree.
I am with Pink. 23 with alot of professional experience. Hopefully this is a big year for him. I think he has gotten a bum rap in SJ and Worcester. Love the signing presuming his head is in the game.

PS. By the way "which ones Pink?"

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To dabble in AHL hockey? Yes, I agree.
You realize Ehrhoff didn't win a full-time spot in the NHL until he was 23, right? Murray was 25 when he played his first NHL game and wasn't a full time player until he was 27. Dan Boyle was 24. And on, and on, and on.

Joslin's time with the Sharks may be running out due to their depth of defensive prospects. But he's far from an AHL-lifer. Heck, I would rather have Joslin up full time that Wallin.

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To dabble in AHL hockey? Yes, I agree.
Luckily for everyone involved, a player at 23 is not the finished product. History also shows plenty of guys not getting their start until after that age.

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You realize Ehrhoff didn't win a full-time spot in the NHL until he was 23, right? Murray was 25 when he played his first NHL game and wasn't a full time player until he was 27. Dan Boyle was 24. And on, and on, and on.

Joslin's time with the Sharks may be running out due to their depth of defensive prospects. But he's far from an AHL-lifer. Heck, I would rather have Joslin up full time that Wallin.
I see your point Vaasa, but he is not any of those guys nor will he ever be.

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#nhl #sjsharks contract for D Derek Joslin is for league minimum http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=148

$85k in AHL

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I see your point Vaasa, but he is not any of those guys nor will he ever be.
You're no different than the people that were mad at Ehrhoff before the lockout because he played like half the season and didn't impress immediately.

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Smart move to take less at the NHL level. Tyler Eckford in NJD did the same.

Joslin will be an NHL defenseman. Very smart and a natural leader. Won't be anything special, but really nice to have in the organization.

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You're no different than the people that were mad at Ehrhoff before the lockout because he played like half the season and didn't impress immediately.
I missed the part where my post was an indictment of all 23 year olds who haven't made it in the NHL.

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I see your point Vaasa, but he is not any of those guys nor will he ever be.
And if you have such a clear crystal ball, I would appreciate this Saturday's winning lottery numbers please.

Honestly, Joslin will never be another Boyle. But I think he could be better than Murray. He doesn't have Ehrhoff's speed or natural offensive talents, but from when he was in the NHL he looked like he had significantly better defensive skills (not great, but good enough for a solid 2-way guy). He was also more willing to hit than Ehrhoff. He also reportedly has better leadership skills, and like Ehrhoff, he's got a cannon of a shot that could be very useful on a power play.

So while I don't think right now that he's likely to be a Top-4 player, if I had said Murray would be playing 20+ minutes a night his first season people would have laughed hysterically.

Joslin, IMO, should have already have been in the NHL. He's good enough now (again, IMO) be to playing 6-7 minutes on pretty much any NHL team. And honestly, I don't think he's going to learn much more at the AHL level.

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Just because Joslin won't be a top 4 dman, doesn't mean he is completely worthless. He can be a serviceable cheap 6th dman and I'm fine with it.

He is pretty comparable to Moore. Which one is better? I know Moore is a little weaker offensively but better defensively, no?

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I missed the part where my post was an indictment of all 23 year olds who haven't made it in the NHL.
When did I say you said that? I said you're no different than the people who were dissing Ehrhoff before the lockout...when he was younger...and even after the lockout...when he was older...saying he wasn't good enough.

That has nothing to do with indicting all 23 year old players. It has everything to do with you being no different than the people who hastily judge people when they're still in development.

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the limited time I saw him on the ice he was horrible. Hope DW proves me wrong

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