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2010 Top Prospects - #8

View Poll Results: Who's #8?
D Mark Alt 0 0%
D Danny Biega 0 0%
D Brian Dumoulin 22 75.86%
D Justin Faulk 1 3.45%
D Michal Jordan 0 0%
D Tommi Kivisto 1 3.45%
LW Mattias Lindstrom 0 0%
G Mike Murphy 2 6.90%
W Oskar Osala 3 10.34%
G Justin Peters 0 0%
RW Jerome Samson 0 0%
LW Justin Shugg 0 0%
RW Jared Staal 0 0%
C/LW Chris Terry 0 0%
other 0 0%
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08-07-2010, 06:37 AM
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2010 Top Prospects - #8

Sangs finally makes it on, in a big way too. Seems like a lot of the Bowman voters from last time must have moved over to Sanguinetti this time around. Scary to think of how deep our prospect pool is when Sanguinetti is only finally off the board at #7.

1) RW/C Jeff Skinner - 37.74%
2) D Jamie McBain - 70.73%
3) LW Zach Boychuk - 72.97%
4) C/RW Zac Dalpe - 48.78%
5) C Riley Nash - 45.95%
6) W Drayson Bowman - 32.56%
7) D Bobby Sanguinetti - 51.16%

added D Tommi Kivisto. Next two to be added: D Austin Levi, D Kyle Lawson

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Still not allowed to vote, but Dumoulin.

This'll be a runaway.

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Still not allowed to vote, but Dumoulin.

This'll be a runaway.
The next tier of prospects are where it should get interesting again IMO.

Murphy, Faulk, Alt, Peters, Samson, Terry, etc.

I'm debating whether to keep going for the full top 20 or to just stop around 15 since that's when most interest typically dries up for something like this.

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Yup my next non-existent vote will be for Faulk. You gonna add Rissanen any time soon?

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Yup my next non-existent vote will be for Faulk. You gonna add Rissanen any time soon?
probably once I start adding some of the guys like Dodge, Blanchard, etc. he'll be in that group. I'm still not sure what to make of him but the fact that he sounds like a lock for Team Finland is a definite plus in my books. He does bring a nasty streak to his game that we've been otherwise sorely lacking in our system.

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probably once I start adding some of the guys like Dodge, Blanchard, etc. he'll be in that group. I'm still not sure what to make of him but the fact that he sounds like a lock for Team Finland is a definite plus in my books. He does bring a nasty streak to his game that we've been otherwise sorely lacking in our system.
I always kinda thought he was AHEAD of Kivisto, but I could be mistaken...

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I always kinda thought he was AHEAD of Kivisto, but I could be mistaken...
he was drafted ahead of Kivisto but up to about the midpoint of his draft year Kivisto was regarded as a borderline first round prospect. He fell like a rock in part because the offensive upside he reportedly had never showed, and in part because he signed with a team in Finland already and there were concerns that he wouldn't come back over to North America.

Rissanen on the other hand just had a big U-18 with Team Finland and was committed to play with Everett in the WHL the next season.

Since then Kivisto has developed into prettymuch a shut-down specialist you don't want to go up against along the end boards (much like Wallin was). He's also been a mainstay on the Team Finland U-20 roster since he was 17, playing the last 2 WJCs as a top 4 defenseman and prettymuch a lock to do so again this year. He's also stated that the speculation that he would not sign in North America was overblown as evidenced by him coming over for the development camp and the Traverse City tournament. It's not so much that Rissanen has regressed at all, it's more that Kivisto is looking like there's a good reason he was getting all that hype going back to before his draft season.


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he was drafted ahead of Kivisto but up to about the midpoint of his draft year Kivisto was regarded as a borderline first round prospect. He fell like a rock in part because the offensive upside he reportedly had never showed, and in part because he signed with a team in Finland already and there were concerns that he wouldn't come back over to North America.

Rissanen on the other hand just had a big U-18 with Team Finland and was committed to play with Everett in the WHL the next season.

Since then Kivisto has developed into prettymuch a shut-down specialist you don't want to go up against along the end boards (much like Wallin was). He's also been a mainstay on the Team Finland U-20 roster since he was 17, playing the last 2 WJCs as a top 4 defenseman and prettymuch a lock to do so again this year. He's also stated that the speculation that he would not sign in North America was overblown as evidenced by him coming over for the development camp and the Traverse City tournament. It's not so much that Rissanen has regressed at all, it's more that Kivisto is looking like there's a good reason he was getting all that hype going back to before his draft season.
Ah, OK, thanks.

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for what it's worth, and this is coming from someone who's been a Lawson homer, I consider the Dodge/Rissanen/Blanchard group to be right up with them. Safer prospects but not ones with huge upside, but every team needs that type of player to be successful in the long run.

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True, Dodge and Blanchard look certain to play on the 4th line in the NHL at some point in their career.

The reason I suppose I like Rissanen is because he's in the WHL. I know that Kivisto's coming over for the Traverse City tournament, and that is promising, but Rissanen seems more committed to the North American game at this point in time. If we can bring Kivisto over, no doubt he'll be an effective player, but that at this point is still an if.

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I'm sure Dumoulin will win, but I'm still saying Faulk is a better prospect. Probably better than Sanguinetti, too. Maybe even top 5 among our group. Obviously, he's being hurt by his youth and the fact that we haven't read/seen a lot on him, but generally speaking, I think our youngest prospects -- and Europeans -- are essentially getting ignored (aside from Skinner for obvious reasons) because of the "newness" to the system.

Speaking of Faulk, doesn't he have McBain's skillset with better pedigree? Yeah, he's three years behind McBain, his long-term upside is at least on par, no?

I think in large part this has become an exercise in name recognition and general perception, without any real insight.

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I'm sure Dumoulin will win, but I'm still saying Faulk is a better prospect. Probably better than Sanguinetti, too. Maybe even top 5 among our group. Obviously, he's being hurt by his youth and the fact that we haven't read/seen a lot on him, but generally speaking, I think our youngest prospects -- and Europeans -- are essentially getting ignored (aside from Skinner for obvious reasons) because of the "newness" to the system.

Speaking of Faulk, doesn't he have McBain's skillset with better pedigree? Yeah, he's three years behind McBain, his long-term upside is at least on par, no?

I think in large part this has become an exercise in name recognition and general perception, without any real insight.
Faulk is the next one on my personal list, ahead of Sanguinetti and Bowman even to be honest. I've just been stuck on Dumoulin for a LONG time. Between both, the only reason that I give Dumoulin the edge is that I see him as being "safer" and still with top 4 upside.

personally my top 5 is as such:
McBain
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I definitely think Faulk will be the next off the board. From what I've read on the prospect board he has been mighty impressive at the evaluation camp. Can't wait to see what he does.

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Dumoulin, this won't take too long.

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we're getting into my kyle lawson range. like dave im a bit of a homer for him. i think older guys get lost in the prospect shuffle, and i think being close to nhl ready means a lot. i rate a guy who in hf ranking style terms is a 6.5-7.0B+ just as a high as a 7.5C-. lawson might not have a huge upside, but a guy who is legit for a bottom six role for the next 5 years in my eyes is a good prospect, im not convinced at this point dumoulin is gonna be better than that. im voting for dumoulin, but my gut has lawson/terry/dodge in this range, maybe even borer due to the fact these guys are much closer right now and deserve to be there. lawson is a bit of an unknown at this point because no one ever watched him, hes been off the radar much like dalpe was to everyone but us. he could show up and be a top pairing ahl guy this year. he could play for the canes as a call up. i rate that pretty high in comparison to guys who are at least a year away from even being signed. dumoulin could be 2-3 years away from that for all we know. i think they'll push him next year if he plays well tho.

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we're getting into my kyle lawson range. like dave im a bit of a homer for him. i think older guys get lost in the prospect shuffle, and i think being close to nhl ready means a lot. i rate a guy who in hf ranking style terms is a 6.5-7.0B+ just as a high as a 7.5C-. lawson might not have a huge upside, but a guy who is legit for a bottom six role for the next 5 years in my eyes is a good prospect, im not convinced at this point dumoulin is gonna be better than that. im voting for dumoulin, but my gut has lawson/terry/dodge in this range, maybe even borer due to the fact these guys are much closer right now and deserve to be there. lawson is a bit of an unknown at this point because no one ever watched him, hes been off the radar much like dalpe was to everyone but us. he could show up and be a top pairing ahl guy this year. he could play for the canes as a call up. i rate that pretty high in comparison to guys who are at least a year away from even being signed. dumoulin could be 2-3 years away from that for all we know. i think they'll push him next year if he plays well tho.
A bottom 6 role? He's a defenseman, there are ONLY 6 defensemen.

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obviously i meant bottom pairing.

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A bottom 6 role? He's a defenseman, there are ONLY 6 defensemen.
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I'll go with Dumoulin for his speculated upside, though I think Faulk is right there with him, or better. With that said, in truth, I don't know too much about these fellow American Defenceman, so I can't give an opinion or what not on either. I do appreciate, and like reading others opinions and information regarding these two as it's been quite informative.

For me, this is where my homer pick, one of my favorite prospects of any (as odd as it is), Nick Dodge is soon coming in to play. I just love the sound of his game, what he brings to the table and what he's all about. The heart, hustle, defensive awareness, leadership, faceoff ability, heck, he's even scored 13 as a rookie in the AHL and 16 this season. From what I have read, Daniels and the coaching staff in Albany love him, rely on him heavily and trust him in many situations. Many call a player of Dodge's ilk a coaches dream. The one downfall that does stand out is his size. For a guy who will play a bottom 6 checking/defensive role, he's on the small side and that could very well hurt him. He's listed at 5'10 185lbs. On the positive side of things, we drafted Dodge when he was 20 years old, so a bit older than most. He had 4 solid seasons for Clarkson (NCAA) and won the award for best defensive forward in his final season. He'd been passed over in previous drafts only for Bob McKenzie to inform JR that is who he would pick when JR was going to draft McKenzie's son, Mike, who we just signed. In the end, Nick Dodge has spent 4 years playing NCAA and now has 2 years in the AHL under his belt. At 24 years old, I believe Nick Dodge is our answer for the 4th line center slot or even the wing. I believe Dodge & Sutter could form one heck of a 1-2 punch on the penalty kill. I sure hope he can earn it come training camp. If not, it may not be in the cards for him here.

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I'll go with Dumoulin for his speculated upside, though I think Faulk is right there with him, or better. With that said, in truth, I don't know too much about these fellow American Defenceman, so I can't give an opinion or what not on either. I do appreciate, and like reading others opinions and information regarding these two as it's been quite informative.

For me, this is where my homer pick, one of my favorite prospects of any (as odd as it is), Nick Dodge is soon coming in to play. I just love the sound of his game, what he brings to the table and what he's all about. The heart, hustle, defensive awareness, leadership, faceoff ability, heck, he's even scored 13 as a rookie in the AHL and 16 this season. From what I have read, Daniels and the coaching staff in Albany love him, rely on him heavily and trust him in many situations. Many call a player of Dodge's ilk a coaches dream. The one downfall that does stand out is his size. For a guy who will play a bottom 6 checking/defensive role, he's on the small side and that could very well hurt him. He's listed at 5'10 185lbs. On the positive side of things, we drafted Dodge when he was 20 years old, so a bit older than most. He had 4 solid seasons for Clarkson (NCAA) and won the award for best defensive forward in his final season. He'd been passed over in previous drafts only for Bob McKenzie to inform JR that is who he would pick when JR was going to draft McKenzie's son, Mike, who we just signed. In the end, Nick Dodge has spent 4 years playing NCAA and now has 2 years in the AHL under his belt. At 24 years old, I believe Nick Dodge is our answer for the 4th line center slot or even the wing. I believe Dodge & Sutter could form one heck of a 1-2 punch on the penalty kill. I sure hope he can earn it come training camp. If not, it may not be in the cards for him here.
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I've been voting Dumoulin so long I don't even know who's off the board. I'll probably just vote for Dumoulin again next thread too.

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For me, this is where my homer pick, one of my favorite prospects of any (as odd as it is), Nick Dodge is soon coming in to play. I just love the sound of his game, what he brings to the table and what he's all about. The heart, hustle, defensive awareness, leadership, faceoff ability, heck, he's even scored 13 as a rookie in the AHL and 16 this season. From what I have read, Daniels and the coaching staff in Albany love him, rely on him heavily and trust him in many situations. Many call a player of Dodge's ilk a coaches dream. The one downfall that does stand out is his size. For a guy who will play a bottom 6 checking/defensive role, he's on the small side and that could very well hurt him. He's listed at 5'10 185lbs. On the positive side of things, we drafted Dodge when he was 20 years old, so a bit older than most. He had 4 solid seasons for Clarkson (NCAA) and won the award for best defensive forward in his final season. He'd been passed over in previous drafts only for Bob McKenzie to inform JR that is who he would pick when JR was going to draft McKenzie's son, Mike, who we just signed. In the end, Nick Dodge has spent 4 years playing NCAA and now has 2 years in the AHL under his belt. At 24 years old, I believe Nick Dodge is our answer for the 4th line center slot or even the wing. I believe Dodge & Sutter could form one heck of a 1-2 punch on the penalty kill. I sure hope he can earn it come training camp. If not, it may not be in the cards for him here.
I agree, I'm very excited about Dodge and he could be our 4th line forward as early as the games in Helsinki. I see a lot of Manny Malhotra in him, a faceoff specialist that is a defensive stud, a hard worker, and smart enough offensively that he could fill in on the power play at some point in his career. I certainly hope he makes the team out of camp this year as the 4th line center (no offense, Dwyer), and the more I watch and hear about him, the more excited I get.

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I'm sure Dumoulin will win, but I'm still saying Faulk is a better prospect. Probably better than Sanguinetti, too. Maybe even top 5 among our group. Obviously, he's being hurt by his youth and the fact that we haven't read/seen a lot on him, but generally speaking, I think our youngest prospects -- and Europeans -- are essentially getting ignored (aside from Skinner for obvious reasons) because of the "newness" to the system.

Speaking of Faulk, doesn't he have McBain's skillset with better pedigree? Yeah, he's three years behind McBain, his long-term upside is at least on par, no?

I think in large part this has become an exercise in name recognition and general perception, without any real insight.
Faulk is only 6 months younger than Dumoulin. Both are probably first round talents.

Faulk isn't really like McBain though. He is more of a shoot first type of guy and has a physical edge to his game unlike McBain.

Dumoulin is just flat out more proven than Faulk at this point which is why I am putting him ahead. It's really not just name recognition. Some of us have actually seen these guys play... B2 network and Fox Sports Network for college hockey are great for this

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