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Out of curiosity what does Canada do differently in terms of education than the United States? Why is the Canadian graduation rate higher than the American one?
ask most American high school kids about non american history or geography & they don't have a clue.but its not their fault its what they are taught.
as Canadians we are taught about many things outside of our own country.
ask most American high school kids about non american history or geography & they don't have a clue.but its not their fault its what they are taught.
as Canadians we are taught about many things outside of our own country.
In my opinion, this is largely overblown. I'm sure there are tons of retarded high schoolers in both countries, just as their are many well rounded individuals.
Your link said Quebec students..... so if someone living in Ontario wanted to go there the tuiton would be more?....
Yes it is. The Quebec post-secondary system is set up so that Quebec born residences(or people who have been living there for X amount of years) pay significantly less than those outside of the province, or outside of the country would pay at the same school for the same program.
This is what you or I would pay at McGill for the same program:
I'm from Ontario and I graduated from McGill University in 2006. When I started there, tuition was between 5000-6000 a year I think. I had a partial scholarship (i know, i know, haters gonna hate) so I paid even less. I think International tuition was around 10 000 a year. I think U of T is a bit more but probably comparable. Public Universities FTW!
This means that its harder for college graduates to find jobs because they're become dime a dozen
I think this is a bigger problem than the one in the OP. You devalue the 4 year degree the easier it is to get. Make it worth something.
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Originally Posted by cupcrazyman
ask most American high school kids about non american history or geography & they don't have a clue.but its not their fault its what they are taught.
How exactly would those things help you on a large scale? And assuming it is a problem (which it isn't) then it is still their fault because as adults they can learn whatever they want.
The pursuit of knowledge is much more about the pursuit than it is the actual knowledge. If you focus your efforts on math, American History, World History, Canadian History, Geography, Chemestry, or whatever; the end result is pretty much the same in that you have learned HOW to acquire knowledge to accomplish a task. This is the goal of high school, not graduating with a set knowledge base.
Now if you choose poorly which knowledge to seek then it may not apply to the "real world" very well but the point is you have learned how to learn and now you are more useful than you were before. Knowing something isn't as important as being able to learn something. That time focused on the pursuits you suggested is still used for something else valuable and does not just disappear.
I mean i want to go law school in Canada, its like you know around 8000 per semester. If i went to the states, id have to pay like 3x that.
Now i dunno if thats international/domestic or whatever but i have always believed i would never be able to go to the states b/c the tuition is just way too high
And why is that a bad thing? Canada integrates socialist aspects into its capitalist society to improve the countries quality of life. That sounds a lot better than a country that has had too big of an ego for many generations to make any changes to a system that clearly needs it.
I think this is a bigger problem than the one in the OP. You devalue the 4 year degree the easier it is to get. Make it worth something.
How exactly would those things help you on a large scale? And assuming it is a problem (which it isn't) then it is still their fault because as adults they can learn whatever they want.
The pursuit of knowledge is much more about the pursuit than it is the actual knowledge. If you focus your efforts on math, American History, World History, Canadian History, Geography, Chemestry, or whatever; the end result is pretty much the same in that you have learned HOW to acquire knowledge to accomplish a task. This is the goal of high school, not graduating with a set knowledge base.
Now if you choose poorly which knowledge to seek then it may not apply to the "real world" very well but the point is you have learned how to learn and now you are more useful than you were before. Knowing something isn't as important as being able to learn something. That time focused on the pursuits you suggested is still used for something else valuable and does not just disappear.
And why is that a bad thing? Canada integrates socialist aspects into its capitalist society to improve the countries quality of life. That sounds a lot better than a country that has had too big of an ego for many generations to make any changes to a system that clearly needs it.
I never said it was. And I'm not looking to get into a political argument over the internet.
Well, I have an opinion that may not be very popular around here.
I think that it is too easy to get a degree in certain fields of study. I'm not going to name any programs but there are some out there that are way to easy to get a degree in. Not only that, I think the whole god damn system is just messed up. I pay for my university in cash. Me, not my parents, myself I pay in cash, I don't use credits or loans at all.
I recently went camping with an 82 year old retired engineer. He had some really thoughtful commentary on the education system in Canada. When he went to school, he had enough money to pay his first year, after that he ran out of money. So for the next year, he skipped out on school and worked in geological exploration and surveying to afford to go back. He saved all his money and everything. He returned to school, but his subsequent years of school he had to start his first semester a month late to afford to go back. I.e. he would work may, june, july, august, school would go back in September but he would still have to work September.
Basically the process from what I understand now a days is you go into some program without a lot of job opportunity. Hell, in Ontario, there are 5,000 surplus teachers graduating every year! The lady who served me at the gas station today has a bachelors degree in psychology and her concurrent education but cannot get even part-time teachers jobs. So people go to school, and pay 20k/year for 4 years. If it is a recession or they picked a course that they can't get a job with, they get lowsy summer jobs that can't even cover close to that 20k/year amount. Then they graduate with whatever, 70-80k debt because they just took a program for four years, went further into debt by spending money on PS3s, HDTVs, 80 $/month cell phone bills, designer clothes, car, etc. but can't get a good job when the graduate. I'm not saying don't have all that **** in university because I have it - I also live within my means though. But I scratch my head when I see someone who I know is on a student loan spending twice my tab at the bar and driving a big SUV and I know their summer job may be 12 bucks an hour supervising at Tim Hortons. So people graduate with massive debt (my old boss had 90k of debt when he graduated university) and they can't get a job to feed back this debt. They either declare bankruptcy or are forever stuck under the weight of loans, debts, etc. How is that system sustainable? How does it make sense? I know its unrealistic to believe people will not gather debt throughout University but no one seems to have a plan at all.
Oh, and I put a lot of this blame on the stupidity that is high school education. Not that I am knocking the courses but christ instead of having to take Civics and Careers, why not give a course that teaches finances so people don't go into credit card debt? Why not have competent guidance councilors (my guideance councilor told me to be an commercial airline pilot or an english teacher. WHAT???)
tl;dr - People don't have solid education plans, its too easy to get an degree, and I hate the system
