Canada is #1

[ixcuincle]

Originally Posted by Deficient Mode

Professors don't get paid wages. They also don't get paid for teaching.



More than the people usually involved in it now should be.

Isn't Pryz part of the "School" group in The Wire

[Deficient Mode]

Originally Posted by ixcuincle

Isn't Pryz part of the "School" group in The Wire

Yes, he is.

Herc is an Ivy League graduate too according to Lester. But just look at that suit - you know that guy got a good education.

[Youreallygotme]

I went to UBC. I'm pretty sure the school put more money into enforcing their parking tickets then they did in recruiting good instructors for my course. I was embarrassed for some of the clowns that fumbled through their lectures. So many profs couldn't even speak the language they were teaching us with. Most students I talked to agreed that we were not getting value for our money or time.

[Franck]

Originally Posted by Tim Calhoun

Governments should not be involved in education.

Who should be involved then? The magic man in the sky?

[chopkins]

Originally Posted by Youreallygotme

I went to UBC. I'm pretty sure the school put more money into enforcing their parking tickets then they did in recruiting good instructors for my course. I was embarrassed for some of the clowns that fumbled through their lectures. So many profs couldn't even speak the language they were teaching us with. Most students I talked to agreed that we were not getting value for our money or time.

It's not that bad. I've taken a few courses where nobody could understand the professor or the professor just couldn't teach, which is completely unacceptable. That was mostly in first year though when I get the impression the school tries to weed out the weak. I don't know which program you took, but my faculty consists of professors with excellent reputations in my field, including some multi-millionaires. Once you start being taught by those kinds of people you really start to get your money's worth.

Parking tickets? Nah. Construction? Yes. No matter where you are on campus you probably have a clear view of a construction site.

[Eternal Sunshine]

Originally Posted by Youreallygotme

I went to UBC. I'm pretty sure the school put more money into enforcing their parking tickets then they did in recruiting good instructors for my course. I was embarrassed for some of the clowns that fumbled through their lectures. So many profs couldn't even speak the language they were teaching us with. Most students I talked to agreed that we were not getting value for our money or time.

Have had very similar situations as a Carleton student.

Originally Posted by Stanchion for MVP

It's not that bad. I've taken a few courses where nobody could understand the professor or the professor just couldn't teach, which is completely unacceptable. That was mostly in first year though when I get the impression the school tries to weed out the weak. I don't know which program you took, but my faculty consists of professors with excellent reputations in my field, including some multi-millionaires. Once you start being taught by those kinds of people you really start to get your money's worth.

Parking tickets? Nah. Construction? Yes. No matter where you are on campus you probably have a clear view of a construction site.

It is that bad. I've been through both a college and university in Ontario and I would say that more than half of the courses I took had either a bumbling idiot or someone FOB teaching the class.

[buddahsmoka1]

That sucks, all my profs have been fine for the most part.

[markrander87]

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1

And what if all things remaining equal?

That's a pretty big "What If".

[bombers15]

Originally Posted by Tim Calhoun

Governments should not be involved in education.

Yes. They should.

You lose a great deal of educational value when it is done for-profit. That's an absolutely atrocious way to run an education system.

Government involvement in higher education has been a huge success and has contributed largely to our standard of living.

Sweeping ideological statements like yours are based on nothing substantive.

[Tim Calhoun]

Originally Posted by Franck

Who should be involved then? The magic man in the sky?

You might want to research the histories of many of the world's top universities. Many of them were established and run for a long time by philanthropists, scholars, religious institutions, students, and through other private initiatives without problem.

There is no reason why educational institutions shouldn't have full independence over how their school is run or funded. I think a great practical solution is for the government to simply provide educational vouchers to allow students to go to school where they please. IMO the best system is one with the most flexibility and choice.

Originally Posted by bombers15

Yes. They should.

You lose a great deal of educational value when it is done for-profit. That's an absolutely atrocious way to run an education system.

Government involvement in higher education has been a huge success and has contributed largely to our standard of living.

Sweeping ideological statements like yours are based on nothing substantive.

Who said anything about for-profit education?

[Tim Calhoun]

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[Blueline Bomber]

I didn't read through this whole topic and have no idea if this is even relevant or if it was brought up already, but the study in the OP only tracks from "adults 25-34".

Most college students graduate before age 25 though. Dunno how much that would effect the study, but if most students do a typical 4-5 years in college, they're graduating at 23-24.

[Tim Calhoun]

Originally Posted by Blueline Bomber

I didn't read through this whole topic and have no idea if this is even relevant or if it was brought up already, but the study in the OP only tracks from "adults 25-34".

Most college students graduate before age 25 though. Dunno how much that would effect the study, but if most students do a typical 4-5 years in college, they're graduating at 23-24.

I don't see a problem with it. While many students finish their bachelors by 22/23, the vast majority should graduate by the time they are 25. So I think 25-34 is a reasonable enough range for the study to give a good indication.