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05-29-2004, 03:45 AM
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Brenden Morrow or Matt Cooke..

Got into a little discussion with a friend (Nuck fan) of mine yesterday, we pretty much compared every player on our roster (we were bored, come on), agreed on about everyone untill Morrow vs Cooke came up. Who do y'all think is better?

Brenden Morrow .. 81 games: 25 goals - 24 assists for 49 points, 121 PIMs
Matt Cooke ........ 53 games: 11 goals - 12 assists for 23 points, 073 PIMs

Notes:

Brenden Morrow:

- Born in 1979, is 5'11 and weighs 210.
- Brenden Morrow scored 12.89% of the team's 194 goals.
- One of just 3 forwards on the team that finished with a +/- rating above 10.
- Wears an A.
- Made Team Canada's World Cup selection.
- Twice finished as a top 25 Selke candidate.
- Career averages: 74 games - 19.4 goals - 21.4 assists for 40.8 points, 114,6 PIMs.

Matt Cooke:

- Born in 1978, is 6'0 and weighs 187.
- Matt Cooke's projected goal totals of 17 would have him contributing 7.26% of the team's 234 goals.
- Stats he was on pace for: 17 goals - 18 assists for 35 points.
- Finished a top 25 Selke candidate once..
- Career averages: 63 games - 09.6 goals - 13.5 assists for 23.1 points, 071 PIMs

Be warned, this is a public poll.

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Cooke is one of my favorite players in the leaque. But this should be a victory for Morrow. They both play an excellent defensive game. But Morrow's offensive game is far and away better. I'd say Cooke plays a better gritty physical game. But all in all.

I'd be happy to have either one of them on my team.

Edit: BUT you should also take into account the quality of teammates the two players have... Cooke has a completely unoffensive Chubarov.., Ruutu, May, and an ageing linden..

offensively Morrow plays with a much more talented group of players. Dallas is actually probably one of the deepest teams in the leaque.. What would happen if the 2 players were on opposite teams? I'd wager that the point totals would be far different. I'd like to see what Cooke could do with a full season on the top line with Naslund and Morrison. I think you would continue to see Cooke come alive offensively.


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Edit: BUT you should also take into account the quality of teammates the two players have... Cooke has a completely unoffensive Chubarov.., Ruutu, May, and an ageing linden..

offensively Morrow plays with a much more talented group of players. Dallas is actually probably one of the deepest teams in the leaque.. What would happen if the 2 players were on opposite teams? I'd wager that the point totals would be far different. I'd like to see what Cooke could do with a full season on the top line with Naslund and Morrison. I think you would continue to see Cooke come alive offensively.
No I should not. The difference Morrow wins with his linemates is being erased by the fact that he's always getting the same defensive/aggrevating role, regardless of his line. Also, the Stars are a Defense first team, there's no one that can thrive offensively here in Dallas. The Nucks on the other hands, play one of the best and most feared offensive systems in the NHL. Morrow's reasonable scoring upside should project into 30/35, like it was being said during draft day. At 24/25 years of age, he already has three 20+ goal seasons under his belt and is coming off a strong 25 goal year on a team where pretty much everyone had career-low seasons, he's a heck of a lot closer realising those numbers then Matt Cooke, who hasn't even cracked 20 once.

Another tidbit; Morrow played the same role as Cooke currently does prior to this season, he still posted much better numbers..

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I'd much rather Morrow on my team.

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not exactly a fair comparison. next we'll do Lehtinen vs Chubarov.

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I like Cooke, but Morrow is better offensively. They both heve a allaround game, so slight edge in Morrows favor.

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not exactly a fair comparison. next we'll do Lehtinen vs Chubarov.
I realise it isn't one of my most favorable matchups as I like it to be as close as possible, but it's to settle a dispute. Though you are exagerating somewhat with your Lehtinen/Chubarov comparison..

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I like both players, but I think Morrow is the better player.

I'd like to have both players on the Avs.


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Morrow, by quite a large margin.

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No I should not. The difference Morrow wins with his linemates is being erased by the fact that he's always getting the same defensive/aggrevating role, regardless of his line. Also, the Stars are a Defense first team, there's no one that can thrive offensively here in Dallas. The Nucks on the other hands, play one of the best and most feared offensive systems in the NHL. Morrow's reasonable scoring upside should project into 30/35, like it was being said during draft day. At 24/25 years of age, he already has three 20+ goal seasons under his belt and is coming off a strong 25 goal year on a team where pretty much everyone had career-low seasons, he's a heck of a lot closer realising those numbers then Matt Cooke, who hasn't even cracked 20 once.

Another tidbit; Morrow played the same role as Cooke currently does prior to this season, he still posted much better numbers..
While I agree that Morrow is the better player, if you used your logic for the Turgeon/Zhamnov thread to determine offensive ability, these two players are about equal. When I calculated these players points per minute (a statistic you so love), it was basically equal. Both put up a point ever 32 minutes they played this past season. Now, this either means that this statistic is useless or it disproves your claim that Morrow is significantly better offensively.

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Morrow by a small margin, although Morrow is better offensively, Cooke has always played a more checking role and Cooke is also one of the best players in the league at getting under the opposition's skin. Comparing what they are paid, (Cooke is one of the most underpaid players in the league) and how much more Cooke contributed to his team this playoffs compared to Morrow, anyone who says Morrow by a wide margin if foolish IMO.

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Originally Posted by Canuck_HavoK
Morrow by a small margin, although Morrow is better offensively, Cooke has always played a more checking role and Cooke is also one of the best players in the league at getting under the opposition's skin. Comparing what they are paid, (Cooke is one of the most underpaid players in the league) and how much more Cooke contributed to his team this playoffs compared to Morrow, anyone who says Morrow by a wide margin if foolish IMO.
Morrow has played a checking role up until this past season as well, yet managed to put up 20 goals twice before this year....

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C'mon M=D, this isnt fair at all.

And you botched Cooke's size. He's 5'11'' 205.

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C'mon M=D, this isnt fair at all.

And you botched Cooke's size. He's 5'11'' 205.
Hockey DB.. don't blame me..

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I think if Cooke spent an entire season along with the top line (Like Morrow), this poll would be a lot closer.

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Morrow has played a checking role up until this past season as well, yet managed to put up 20 goals twice before this year....
The Stars' third line is even talented every year.

Cooke has played with Chubarov, Letowski, Linden, etc the last few years. The majority was with Letowski and Chubarov, which is an output of very little offense.

BTW, I voted Cooke, just because of how far behind he was.

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I think if Cooke spent an entire season along with the top line (Like Morrow), this poll would be a lot closer.
Morrow can handle playing on a top line and he doesn't look lost on it either.I doubt Cooke can play on a top line all season.

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I've always been a fan of players like Cooke (I may bash him, but that is just because I'm envious that the 'Nucks have him).

But Morrow is leagues ahead of him. No contest.

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