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08-11-2010, 02:16 PM
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Matt Niskanen ?

will he bounce back next season ? what went wrong last season with him ? how many points do you guys think he will have this year ?

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08-11-2010, 02:18 PM
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will he bounce back next season ? what went wrong last season with him ? how many points do you guys think he will have this year ?
I certainly think he will. He had zero confidence all year. He needs to find a way to put mistakes behind him. I expect a solid season with 30+ points.

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08-11-2010, 02:23 PM
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will he bounce back next season ?
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what went wrong last season with him ?
everything
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how many points do you guys think he will have this year ?
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will he bounce back next season ? what went wrong last season with him ? how many points do you guys think he will have this year ?
I hope so? But your guess is as good as mine frankly.

There isn't much that went right with him last season, but mostly I think it stems from a lack of confidence and mental maturity.

Dallas tried hard to get Niskanen to pick up points last season, he played the point with Richards on the PP for probably way longer than he should have and had relatively nothing to show for it. My guess is they will give him another shot at the point job and if he can start producing there I could easily see him hitting 30 points, if he struggles there again I would bet on another abysmal season from him with low point totals again.

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no everything 10
35 points two years ago ?? is it because of marc crawford that things went wrong like that?

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will he bounce back next season ? what went wrong last season with him ? how many points do you guys think he will have this year ?

Crawford can get blamed for a lot of things but I don't think Niskanen's struggles is one of them. It actually started under Tippett IMHO. Remember Niskanen is still young, he is only 23 and probably would have benefited from some more time to mature. Yes Niskanen's point totals were fine in 08-09 but his defensive play was really bad. This is pure speculation on my part but if during that time he started to view himself as a defenseman that is mostly an offensive contributor and not particularly good at the defensive part and then his offense struggled to start this last year and his defense was already bad I can see how it would mess with someone's confidence.

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The key is to get Niskanen producing like he did the second half of his second season and then with improved defense.

He's played decent/solid with Zubov, Norstrom and Sydor. In a small sample size he did a decent job with Fistric, which that type of defenseman appears to be a good fit for Niskanen.


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Niskanen doesn't have the clout to be able to play with only one type of defenseman, nor does he have the talent that demands he see more ice time.

He's got to put more work in on getting his play in his own end in order. He's never been very good in his own end. He has the same problems now that he did as a rookie, except now he's got zero confidence and the lack of an elite defenseman on the roster to cover up for his mistakes.

If he gets stronger and smarter, he'll be better next season (he's got potential to be a Sydor-type, in my head - a guy who will be very good in his prime but never an elite offensive defenseman). If all he focuses on is putting up more points, he's going to continue to suck because he's not good enough on the offensive end to make up for the points he gives up in his own end.

Also, Jason my love, Niskanen was abysmal when he played with Sydor. Sydor was also abysmal. That was, by far, the worst defensive pairing on the team that year, and both of them contributed to the suck. Stop trying to put forward this idea that it was all Sydor's fault. Many things were Sydor's fault, but plenty of them were Niskanen's fault too.

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Niskanen doesn't have the clout to be able to play with only one type of defenseman, nor does he have the talent that demands he see more ice time.

He's got to put more work in on getting his play in his own end in order. He's never been very good in his own end. He has the same problems now that he did as a rookie, except now he's got zero confidence and the lack of an elite defenseman on the roster to cover up for his mistakes.

If he gets stronger and smarter, he'll be better next season (he's got potential to be a Sydor-type, in my head - a guy who will be very good in his prime but never an elite offensive defenseman). If all he focuses on is putting up more points, he's going to continue to suck because he's not good enough on the offensive end to make up for the points he gives up in his own end.

Also, Jason my love, Niskanen was abysmal when he played with Sydor. Sydor was also abysmal. That was, by far, the worst defensive pairing on the team that year, and both of them contributed to the suck. Stop trying to put forward this idea that it was all Sydor's fault. Many things were Sydor's fault, but plenty of them were Niskanen's fault too.
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So not only has Niskanen not improved, he's somehow, improbably, managed to get worse.

You wouldn't think that would be possible for someone already coming off a worst-case-scenario season, but he appears to have put in the work to make it happen.

Every decision he makes is wrong. Every single one of them. And not only are they wrong, they're embarrassingly wrong. They're so wrong they always catch his teammates off-guard. They're not even considering the fact that he could do something more wrong that what they've gotten used to.

Time to keep in the puck? Puck goes out.
Time to clear the puck? Puck stays in.
Time to distribute the puck? Puck goes to no one, turnover.
Time to dump in the puck? Puck gets deflected, turnover.
Time to shoot the puck? Puck goes wide.
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piqued you have officially gone off the deep end. Niskanens has had two very solid games.

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He's had 2 abysmal games. You don't know what you're looking at, I'm afraid.

Niskanen should've been traded in the offseason, not re-signed for 2 years. I honestly think he'd clear waivers right now.

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He's had 2 abysmal games. You don't know what you're looking at, I'm afraid.

Niskanen should've been traded in the offseason, not re-signed for 2 years. I honestly think he'd clear waivers right now.
abysmal games yet hes a +3 on the year? You've got a hate on and are looking for mistakes. Sure hes made some but way less than he was making last year. One or two a game, which all dmen make. I know you have this thing for finding scapegoats but saying Niskanens had two abysmal games is just grasping at straws. Hell its like you think every dman should be Zubov.

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piqued you have officially gone off the deep end. Niskanens has had two very solid games.
Oh my God. Did you even watch tonight's game?

He wasn't the worst player out there, but he sure as hell didn't have a solid game. Especially on the powerplay.

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abysmal games yet hes a +3 on the year? You've got a hate on and are looking for mistakes. Sure hes made some but way less than he was making last year. One or two a game, which all dmen make. I know you have this thing for finding scapegoats but saying Niskanens had two abysmal games is just grasping at straws. Hell its like you think every dman should be Zubov.
I wish people would stop misusing already borderline-irrelevant statistics.

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Oh my God. Did you even watch tonight's game?

He wasn't the worst player out there, but he sure as hell didn't have a solid game. Especially on the powerplay.
He didnt play well on the powerplay but he didn't hurt the team at all. Hes a defenseman and he didnt hurt the team, thats solid. Quit being so damn negative.

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I wish people would stop misusing already borderline-irrelevant statistics.
I wish people would stop thinking they always have to find someone to blame for everything. Tell me do you actually enjoy hockey or do you just enjoy looking for players to screw up?

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Didn't hurt the team? Is that our goal for players now? Hooray you participated Matt!

Can't wait to see his CORSI numbers tomorrow.

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I'm not even blaming Niskanen for anything. What's there to blame? The Stars won both their games. I'm bringing this up BECAUSE it can't be construed as blaming or scapegoating.

Niskanen sucks, that's all. His suck is so conspicuous it must be commented upon.

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Didn't hurt the team? Is that our goal for players now? Hooray you participated Matt!

Can't wait to see his CORSI numbers tomorrow.
Yeah considering all the mistakes other players made that did hurt the team not hurting the team is ok. The defense overall had a bad night, niskanen did not stand out as particularly bad at all.

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Niskanen hasn't been our worst defenceman so far. I don't think he's even been one of our two worst.

Sadly, the only guy I would say has played "well" so far is Skrastins, and that's just because I haven't noticed him at all...

I didn't get to see Blindenbacher play in person, but if he can possibly play a more solid game he should get his shot asap.

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Niskanen isn't the problem so far this season. Its Daley.

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Daley's been bad also, no doubt. The difference is that he actually had a decent year last year and he's also a known as a bit of a slow starter.

There are many problems, but at some point you've got to start somewhere.

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Our defence has been very very average to poor in these two games.

Robidas taking two delay of game penalties...TAKE THE ICING IF YOU WANT TO GET THE PUCK OUT THAT BADLY. Brutal. Tried hard to give this game away.
Grossman on the fourth goal should not have let Moulson get behind him but he's actually been pretty solid.
Daley has been bad and Niskanen has been ok, not like what piqued is saying. He's been ok.
Without Kari back there however, these guys would look A LOT worse than we actually are.

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Trade Daley for Langenbrunner and get it over with!

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