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08-12-2010, 03:44 PM
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Toronto - Minnesota

To Minnesota
Mikhail Grabovski

To Toronto
Pierre-Marc Bouchard
Cond 2nd round pick

Condition being based on his games played. Say something like if he plays under 20 games this year, the pick remains the 2nd round, if he plays between 30-50 it becomes a 3rd round.. etc.

If PMB does not play at all, we are essentially getting a 2nd round pick to eat his salary, while Minnesota gets a serviceable player in Grabo.

Leafs can afford to eat salary, and if Kadri emerges, or we trade for another C, Grabo becomes expendable, and Minnesota could use some more offensive players to compliment their defensive minded corps.

Thoughts?

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08-12-2010, 03:50 PM
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To Minnesota
Mikhail Grabovski

To Toronto
Pierre-Marc Bouchard
Cond 2nd round pick

Condition being based on his games played. Say something like if he plays under 20 games this year, the pick remains the 2nd round, if he plays between 30-50 it becomes a 3rd round.. etc.

If PMB does not play at all, we are essentially getting a 2nd round pick to eat his salary, while Minnesota gets a serviceable player in Grabo.

Leafs can afford to eat salary, and if Kadri emerges, or we trade for another C, Grabo becomes expendable, and Minnesota could use some more offensive players to compliment their defensive minded corps.

Thoughts?
This was already proposed, except the 2nd conditional pick was going to the Wild.

The Wild have zero reason to take the above deal. Either Bouchard doesn't come back, then they have major cap space to sign a tier 1 free agent next off-season, or Bouchard comes back, and then the Wild have a player who is better than Grabo.

Throwing in the pick going to the Toronto is horrible.

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08-12-2010, 03:50 PM
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rather keep grabo, unless we know pmb is able to play, thats a big salary to have sitting on ltir

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Grabo is going to finish top 5 points in this year. Untradeable

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Grabo is going to finish top 5 points in this year. Untradeable
What dream are you living in, he had 35 points last year wasn't even top 5 on TOR...He's been talked about in trades for the last 2 seasons now

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08-12-2010, 03:57 PM
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rather keep grabo, unless we know pmb is able to play, thats a big salary to have sitting on ltir
Especially considering bonuses.

The only part of LTIR we get back is what we exceed the cap by. Then when Schenn, Bozak and possibly Kadri (if he plays with the big club) hit their bonuses we get to take 1.5-2M cap hit into next year.

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What dream are you living in, he had 35 points last year wasn't even top 5 on TOR...He's been talked about in trades for the last 3 seasons now
uhh? 3 seasons?

He was waived by Montreal 2 seasons ago and most in Toronto considered him a great waiver wire steal last year.

It was really only this year and into the summer that he's been mentioned.

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Grabo is going to finish top 5 points in this year. Untradeable
Is this a serious post?

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So next week it will be Grabs for PMB and a 1st?

Please stop proposing anything to Minnesota, I haven't seen a good deal yet.

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Grabo is going to finish top 5 points in this year. Untradeable
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So next week it will be Grabs for PMB and a 1st?

Please stop proposing anything to Minnesota, I haven't seen a good deal yet.
Week after it will be Grabo for PMB and Koivu and 1st...

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08-12-2010, 04:06 PM
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uhh? 3 seasons?

He was waived by Montreal 2 seasons ago and most in Toronto considered him a great waiver wire steal last year.

It was really only this year and into the summer that he's been mentioned.
Who Grabovski?

We traded Greg Pateryn (5, 128) and 2nd round pick 2010 (Jared Knight)* for Grabovski in July of 2008.

We traded that pick again to Boston in the Kessel deal

* The Boston Bruins receive the Toronto Maple Leafs 2010 2nd round pick, and a 2010 and 2011 1st round pick for Phil Kessel. Toronto re-acquired this pick from Chicago for Calgary’s 2011 2nd round pick, and Toronto’s 2011 3rd round pick. Chicago had acquired this pick from Montreal for Robert Lang. Montreal acquired this pick, along with Greg Pateryn, from Toronto for Mikhail Grabovski.

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uhh? 3 seasons?

He was waived by Montreal 2 seasons ago and most in Toronto considered him a great waiver wire steal last year.

It was really only this year and into the summer that he's been mentioned.
What are you even talking about. He was acquired by trade. It was a second round pick in 2010 + Greg Pateryn. This trade was made when Grabovski was viewed as a player who actually had a lot of potential.

He definately has not lived up to the hype so you guys won't be getting much in return.

The initial trade proposal is ridiculous. Get it in your heads leaf fans! NO ONE IS GOING TO WANT GRABOVSKI AS THE MAIN PART OF A TRADE. He will be a minor throw in to even out a potentially bigger deal.

You are clearly talking out of nowhere when you say, "Toronto considered him a great waiver wire steal..." hahaha. To sound good, you need to know stuff.

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Sorry I was thinking of Moore as the waive wire pickup.

Either way a 5th and a 2nd is hardly a high price for a 2nd line center

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What dream are you living in, he had 35 points last year wasn't even top 5 on TOR...He's been talked about in trades for the last 2 seasons now
I hope no one else but you thought that was serious

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Sorry I was thinking of Moore as the waive wire pickup.

Either way a 5th and a 2nd is hardly a high price for a 2nd line center
True, but it is a high price for Grabovski

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Sorry I was thinking of Moore as the waive wire pickup.

Either way a 5th and a 2nd is hardly a high price for a 2nd line center
While I don't know Grabo personally I think he has a horrible attitude. With the Kostitsyn thing, Vancouver bar melee etc. Also a sub par work ethic. 2.9 million is not a great price for him either. But I don't doubt his skill when he decides to play. He can put up 55 points, which is a decent 2nd line centre. He is more valuable to us than he is traded. I don't see him being a leaf past his contract, and he could quite possibly get traded near the deadline for scoring depth/ if a team has injuries which would not get us more than a B/C prospect and/or a pick.

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What are you even talking about. He was acquired by trade. It was a second round pick in 2010 + Greg Pateryn. This trade was made when Grabovski was viewed as a player who actually had a lot of potential.

He definately has not lived up to the hype so you guys won't be getting much in return.

The initial trade proposal is ridiculous. Get it in your heads leaf fans! NO ONE IS GOING TO WANT GRABOVSKI AS THE MAIN PART OF A TRADE. He will be a minor throw in to even out a potentially bigger deal.

You are clearly talking out of nowhere when you say, "Toronto considered him a great waiver wire steal..." hahaha. To sound good, you need to know stuff.
You think PMB has more value than Grabovski?

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You think PMB has more value than Grabovski?
When healthy, Bouchard is hands down better than Grabovski.

When unhealthy, 4 million in cap is better than Grabovski.

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When healthy, Bouchard is hands down better than Grabovski.

When unhealthy, 4 million in cap is better than Grabovski.
But is paying PMB to be hurt better than paying Grabo to play? If your answer is yes.. well give your head a shake.

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From a Leafs point of view, I have no interest in Pierre-Marc Bouchard. On the contrary, I don't care for Grabovski at all, so I wouldn't have a problem with this trade. I doubt the Wild would do it anyways. I assume the pick would have to be going to Minnesota for them to even consider this, but I would be reluctant to make it a 2nd round pick.

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uhh? 3 seasons?

He was waived by Montreal 2 seasons ago and most in Toronto considered him a great waiver wire steal last year.

It was really only this year and into the summer that he's been mentioned.
When was he on waivers?? He was traded from Montreal to Toronto for a 2nd and a 5th.


EDIT: my bad, didn;t see the replies

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Week after it will be Grabo for PMB and Koivu and 1st...
Leafs say no unless Finger is going the other way

Too much salary coming back
and when you downgrade from Grabovski to Koivu AND on top of that add salary it better be at least 2 1st and a 2nd coming to the leafs the other way.








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why you mad tho?

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Grabovski is going to have a great season.

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What are you even talking about. He was acquired by trade. It was a second round pick in 2010 + Greg Pateryn. This trade was made when Grabovski was viewed as a player who actually had a lot of potential.

He definately has not lived up to the hype so you guys won't be getting much in return.

The initial trade proposal is ridiculous. Get it in your heads leaf fans! NO ONE IS GOING TO WANT GRABOVSKI AS THE MAIN PART OF A TRADE. He will be a minor throw in to even out a potentially bigger deal.

You are clearly talking out of nowhere when you say, "Toronto considered him a great waiver wire steal..." hahaha. To sound good, you need to know stuff.
I don't know, a 2nd+5th for a young 50 point player is a pretty decent deal. I think you'd have to be pretty optimistic to think his potential was much higher than that.

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