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05-30-2004, 11:25 AM
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Any further mention of Deslauriers?

In either of today's papers?

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From Matty's column:

The Oilers have until Tuesday at 3pm MDT to sign junior goalie Jeff Drouin Deslauriers or he goes back into the draft in Raleigh June 26.

"It's not a done deal, for sure", said Oilers asst GM Scott Howson.

The Oilers are looking to pay Deslauriers a little less than the 2.65 million Cam Ward received from Carolina.

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seems just crazy to me that it's taking this long.

Should be over and done with by now, I wonder what the holdup is.

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It's an interesting game of chicken, isn't it?

All I can say is that if Lowe lets Deslauriers back in the draft the same week Calgary wins the Stanley, there's going to be more hell than a little bit.

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all it tells me is that perhaps Deslauriers isn't the prospect he's made out to be here on HF, at least not in Lowe's mind?

They would not even consider letting him back in the draft if he were (and maybe they are just trying to get the best deal they can, and will sign him in any event - that's what I think I'd do in their situation), especially if he's asking for the money Ward recieved which is not, at all, unreasonable in today's NHL.


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all it tells me is that perhaps Deslauriers isn't the prospect he's made out to be here on HF, at least not in Lowe's mind?
I wouldn't agree with that statement. Similar money to the CHL goalie of the year wouldn't exactly mean the guy is overrated.

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seems just crazy to me that it's taking this long.

Should be over and done with by now, I wonder what the holdup is.
My guess is that it's mainly the signing bonus and to a lesser extent the ahl money he's guaranteed.

He's not likely to get many of the nhl dollars for next season or even the one after that, but iirc Ward's signing bonus was $6 or 700K and he'd be getting that money right away.

Consider that the Oilers might be able to afford to hold the prospects camp with the money they could save by haggling JDD down a bit, the prospect camp is supposed to be in the $100K range...

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there is no way in hell that the Oilers will let their concensus top prospect go back into the draft over a $200,000 bridge. it basically means we are throwing away one of our 1st rounders, because if we dont sign him, we will HAVE TO draft one of the top netminders with our 14th or 25th overall picks. I believe we'll pound out a deal here, and use our top picks to add depth to our other areas.

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They'll get him signed but it's going to hurt like hell.

Consider that if there's a lockout the Oilers will have a lot of operating expenses next season and no revenue, the $1/2 Million or so that JDD gets in his signing bonus will be more money than the whole nhl roster will make next season and it's coming right out of the owners' pockets.

JDD is suddenly the most expensive asset in the whole organization and he hasn't done squat for us yet.

That performance he had against Fleury in the qmjhl playoffs probably cost the Oilers at least $300K in up front money.

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It doesn't sound like his signing bonus will be more than 600 thousand, which is still a ton, but it definitely won't go over a million, i can pretty much guarantee that.

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It doesn't sound like his signing bonus will be more than 600 thousand, which is still a ton, but it definitely won't go over a million, i can pretty much guarantee that.
Sorry for the confusion. By $1/2 Million I meant a half million, not one or two million.

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ahhhhh, I get it now. My bad. I jumped the gun a little.

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I predict he goes back into the draft

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I predict he goes back into the draft
I think that he will be signed. IMO Matheson is a little behind Brownlee who quoted both his agent and Howson saying it was a formality.

Unless things have completely fell apart in a 24 hour period (and over 200,000) that just doesn't make sense.

Remember that Brownlee did say it would go down to the hour before it is completed but both the agent and the Oilers said it would get done and Matheson wrote nothing that would suddenly change my mind on this.

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Another possibility is that the Oilers may be trying to spread out his signing bonus instead of paying it a lump sum. I mean it sounds like they are merely haggling over when they will get the money and a couple hundred grand over a signing bonus... nothing major and there is no mud slinging so it's probably just postering where each side is trying to get a little better deal.

Still optimistic.

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If JDD goes back into the draft, not only should Lowe be beaten with a shovel but JDD should fire his agent. How does going back into a draft with 3-4 other goalies slotted to be first rounders benefit him in any way? He'd be at best a low first rounder, and with the CBA uncertainty it's very likely he'd be making a fair bit less cash after the NHLPA sacrifices the entry level guys like they always do.

I still think it'll get done.

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If JDD goes back into the draft, not only should Lowe be beaten with a shovel but JDD should fire his agent. How does going back into a draft with 3-4 other goalies slotted to be first rounders benefit him in any way? He'd be at best a low first rounder, and with the CBA uncertainty it's very likely he'd be making a fair bit less cash after the NHLPA sacrifices the entry level guys like they always do.

I still think it'll get done.
Actually, the Oilers are offering a little less than 2.65 Million.

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The Oilers are looking to pay Deslauriers a little less than the $2.65 million US Cam Ward received from Carolina.

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I think that he will be signed. IMO Matheson is a little behind Brownlee who quoted both his agent and Howson saying it was a formality.

Unless things have completely fell apart in a 24 hour period (and over 200,000) that just doesn't make sense.

Remember that Brownlee did say it would go down to the hour before it is completed but both the agent and the Oilers said it would get done and Matheson wrote nothing that would suddenly change my mind on this.
I know I'm not on the level as Brownlee or Matty but I did have a report on this back on May 16th you know... http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...readed&order=0

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"Each side has put their (offers) down on the table and we go from there,” Oiler VP of Hockey Operations Kevin Prendergast told Hockey’s Future recently. “It’s not a ridiculously amount of money that we’re apart but hopefully it will be done soon. I think it will probably stretch on for a little while but it’ll still get done before June 1st.”

A very comparable contract was signed Thursday between the Carolina Hurricanes and their top prospect, goalie Cam Ward. That deal will likely be used as the template for salting the agreement between Deslauriers and the Oil.

“We’re not all that far apart realistically, we are apart but the Ward deal with Carolina is basically a benchmark to work from,” confirmed Prendergast. “The way the NHLPA likes to work they slot these guys in very similarly and that’s the way teams often work too.”

“They were six spots apart in the same draft, Ward was a first round and Jeff was a second round, but they had very similar seasons (this past year).” He added. “Both took mediocre teams deep into the playoffs and both were cut from Team Canada.”

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I spoke with the Oilers this morning.

They have sent a new offer in to Jeff and his agent and are waiting for a reply. The gap has been significantly narrowed over the weekend. There is a sense that the agent is trying to use the deadline as some leverage in his favor but both sides would not benefit by failing to get this done.

The source says he's a bit worried about it and he's about 60/40 that it will get done. (11:00 AM). I'm writing something up but news could change and minute. Deadline is 3 PM Edmonton time on Tuesday.

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They have sent a new offer in to Jeff and his agent and are waiting for a reply. The gap has been significantly narrowed over the weekend. There is a sense that the agent is trying to use the deadline as some leverage in his favor but both sides would not benefit by failing to get this done.
That's what agents do, the wise move on his part, but how far does he want to push it?

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The source says he's a bit worried about it and he's about 60/40 that it will get done. (11:00 AM). I'm writing something up but news could change and minute. Deadline is 3 PM Edmonton time on Tuesday.
that is actually pretty bad news. Not getting this done would point towards incompetence in EDM's management.

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I love this...

we know none of the facts or anything like that, but it is being labelled as incompetence by management.

Good to see everyone can wait for the facts before basing an opinion

Patience people... we still don't know what the Oilers are offering, or what camp JDD is asking for.

Nor do we know the terms and conditions of this deal... so try demonstrating a smidgeon of patience before pulling out the torches and pitchforks.

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I love this...

we know none of the facts or anything like that, but it is being labelled as incompetence by management.

Good to see everyone can wait for the facts before basing an opinion

Patience people... we still don't know what the Oilers are offering, or what camp JDD is asking for.

Nor do we know the terms and conditions of this deal... so try demonstrating a smidgeon of patience before pulling out the torches and pitchforks.
I'll retract if proven wrong. But I won't be, because it will almost certianly get done (strictly my opinion).

If we find out afterwards that Deslauriers was looking for a Fleury sized contract, and that's why he re-entered, I'll apologize to whoever is offended.

But if the Oilers aren't willing to sign him at a Ward level contract, what scenarios are possible? Here's some I can think of:


(1) he's not as good of a prospect as we've been led to believe, and Lowe simply isn't willing to go that far

(2) Lowe et al don't know what they are doing with regards to contract negotiations

(3) Deslauriers simply doesn't want to sign with EDM, for whatever reason

(4) He thinks he'd be drafted higher than he was last time

I suppose in all fairness if #3 is true, there is nothing Lowe can do to change his mind, but that seems unlikely given what we've heard on negotiations.

but to say that "we know none of the facts or anything like that, but it is being labelled as incompetence by management." simply amounts to "since we don't know "all" the facts, we should never question what they do because there is no way for us to know". Gives management carte blanche to do anything, and then say "you don't know, we were there, we do know, so whatever we did was right and who are you to question it?"


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That's what agents do, the wise move on his part, but how far does he want to push it?



that is actually pretty bad news. Not getting this done would point towards incompetence in EDM's management.
Speeds, the Oilers are offering a little less than 2.65 million which is a little less than what Cam Ward signed for.

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but to say that "we know none of the facts or anything like that, but it is being labelled as incompetence by management." simply amounts to "since we don't know "all" the facts, we should never question what they do because there is no way for us to know". Gives management carte blanche to do anything, and then say "you don't know, we were there, we do know, so whatever we did was right and who are you to question it?"
There is a difference between none of the facts, and all of the facts. We as fans aren't going to know all the facts, but we can find out some of them.

The only facts that we know are:

Cam Ward signed a contract that should ideally be a benchmark for JDD's, and that now, the 2 sides aren't very far apart in their deal.

That unfortunately isn't very much to go by because we don't know the following:

1). what camp JDD wants

2). what the oilers are offering

And to be honest, how can we honestly judge what (or who is right) without knowing anything about those 2 fundamental details.

We honestly have no clue what JDD is asking for, or what the Oilers are willing to give. That's why I don't understand these hostilities towards management at this time.

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There is a difference between none of the facts, and all of the facts. We as fans aren't going to know all the facts, but we can find out some of them.

The only facts that we know are:

Cam Ward signed a contract that should ideally be a benchmark for JDD's, and that now, the 2 sides aren't very far apart in their deal.

That unfortunately isn't very much to go by because we don't know the following:

1). what camp JDD wants

2). what the oilers are offering

And to be honest, how can we honestly judge what (or who is right) without knowing anything about those 2 fundamental details.

We honestly have no clue what JDD is asking for, or what the Oilers are willing to give. That's why I don't understand these hostilities towards management at this time.
I mentioned this earlier in this thread twice. The Oilers are offering just less than 2.65 million. If that isn't enough for JDD, it's the agent's fault and not the organization. But knowing fans, Lowe will be blamed once again like always.

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