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08-14-2010, 05:59 AM
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Debate Dean Lombardi Record since 2006

Hey guys,

Here is a compiled list of Dean Lombardi's drafts, signings, releases, and trades since coming here April 21st, 2006,

Someone please explain how he hasn't done a good job, I have read comments from a lot of people saying he hasn't, so I wanted to see for myself.

2006-2007

June Draft - Jonathon Bernier, Trevor Lewis, Joey Ryan, Jeff Zatkoff, Bud Holloway, Niklas Andersson, David Meckler, Martin Nolet, Constantin Braun

June 24st, traded Pavol Demitra to MIN for Patrick O'Sullivan and their 1st round pick in 2006 (Trevor Lewis)

July 1st - Signed Rob Blake, Scott Thornton

July 2nd - Signed Alyn McCauley

July 4th - Signed Brian Willsie

July 5th, traded LA 2nd in 2007 and conditional 2009 to VAN for Dan
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July 10th - Signed Kevin Dallman

July 13th - Signed Raitias Ivanans

September 29th: Traded Tim Gleason and Eric Belanger to CAR for Jack Johnson and Oleg Tverdovsky

November 11th - Claimed Marty Murray off of waivers

January 18th - Claimed Sean Burke off of waivers

Jaunaury 20th - Traded Ryan Munce to TB for 4th round pick in 2008

January 29th - Traded Craig Conroy to CGY for Jaime Lundmark, a 2nd round pick in 2008 and a 4th round pick in 2007

February 5th - Traded Sean Avery and John Seymour to NYR for Marc Andre Cliche, Jason Ward and Jan Marek

February 26th - Traded Brent Sopel to VAN for 2nd round pick in 2007 (Wayne Simmonds) and 4th in 2008

Trade Deadline - Traded Mattias Norstrom, Konstantin Pushkarev, 3rd and 4th round picks in 2007 to DAL for Jaroslav Modry, Johan Fransso, 1st round pick in 2008, 2nd round pick in 2007 (Oscar Moller), 4th round pick in 2007

Traded Jason Ward to TB for 5th round pick in 2007

Traded Conditional 5th round pick in 2008 for Jaime Heward


To me it looks like he basicall came in, evaluated everyone, saw where the farm system was, signed a some depth players and started moving players for picks,

2006-2007 Good:

Traded older players for picks that turned into Moller and Simmonds, drafted Bernier

2006-2007 Bad

Signed Cloutier and McCauley

2007-2008

June 2007

Draft - Thomas Hickey, Oscar Moller, Wayne Simmonds, Bryan Cameron, Alec Martinez, Dwight King, Linden Rowat, Josh Turnbull, Josh Kidd, Matt Fillier

July 1st - Signed Ladislav Nagy, Kyle Calder, Tom Preissing, Michal Handzus

July 3rd - Signed Brad Stuart

August 20th - Signed Jon Klemm

August 28th - Signed J.S. Aubin

February 19th - Traded Jarolsav Modry to PHI for 2008 3rd round pick

February 21st - Claimed Matt Ellis off waivers

February 26th - Traded Brad Stuart to DET for 2008 2nd round pick and 2009 4th round pick

February 26th - Traded J.S. Aubin to ANA for 2008 7th round pick


2007-2008 Good - Signed Michal Handzus, Tom Preissing, drafted Moller, Simmonds, Hickey, Martinez, turned Modry into a 3rd and Stuart into a 2nd

2007-2008 - Bad - Signed Nagy and Calder

Again, looks like he signed filler players, and then moved players out for picks, rebuilding the farm system, with Moller, Simmonds, Hickey, Martinez etc

2008-2009

June Draft - Drew Doughty, Colton Teubert, Vyaschlav Voynov, Robbie Cznarik, Andrew Cambpell, Geordi Wurdick, Andrei Loktionov, Justin Azevedo, Garrett Roe

June 4th - Traded T.J. Fast to STL for 2009 4th round pick

June 20th - Traded Michael Cammalleri, 2008 2nd round pick to CGY for 1st round pick 2008, 2009 2nd round pick

June 20th - Traded 17th and 28th OA pick in 2008 to ANA for 12th OA pick in 2008

June 20th - Traded 12th OA pick to BUF for 13th OA pick and 2009 3rd round pick

June 21st - Traded 2008 2nd round pick to COL for Brad Richardson

June 21st - Traded 2008 3rd round pick to NYI for 2008 3rd and 4th round picks

June 21st - Traded 2009 4th, 2010 5th to SJ for 2008 4th

June 21st - Traded 2008 6th round to CHI for 2009 6th round pick

June 21st - Traded 2008 7th round to STL for 2009 7th round pick

June 29th - Traded Lubomir Visnovsky to EDM for Jarrett Stoll, Matt Greene

July 1st - Traded Patrick Hersley and Ned Lukavic to PHI for Dennis Gauthier and 2nd round pick in 2010

July 21st - Traded Lauri Kukonen to DAL for Richard Clune

Sept 30th - Traded Conditional Buf 3rd round pick in 2009 to ANA for Sean O'Donnell

October 13th - Claimed Kyle Quincey off waivers

December 30th - Traded Jason Labarbera to VAN for 2009 7th round pick

March 4th - Traded Patrick O'Sullivan and CGY 2nd round in 2009 to CAR for Justin Williams


2008-2009 good: Picked up Quincey, traded for Stoll, Greene, Williams, Richardson, and again, grabbed some picks for 2009 without giving up much drafted Doughty, Teubert, Voynov, Lotkionov

2008-2009 bad: Traded Cammalleri, but that's debatable as he could have left for nothing soon

2009-2010

June Draft - Brayden Schenn, Kyle Clifford, Nicolas Deslauriers, JF Berube, Linden Vey, David Kolamits, Michael Pelech, Brandon Kozun, Jordan Nolan, Nic Dowd

June 27th - Traded Brian Boyle to NYR for 2010 3rd round pick

June 27th - Traded 2009 3rd round pick to CGY for 2009 3rd and 4th round picks

June 27th - Traded 2 4th round picks in 2009 and a 7th round pick in 2009 to ATL for 4th round pick in 2009

June 27th - Traded 4th and 5th round picks in 2009 to FLA for 3rd round pick in 2010

July 2nd - Signed Rob Scuderi

July 3rd - Traded Kyle Quincey, Tom Preissing and 2010 5th round pick to COL for Ryan Smyth

July 13th - Signed Brandon Segal

October 29th - Claimed Randy Jones off waivers

March 3rd - Traded Ted Purcell and FLA 3rd in 2010 to TB for Jeff Halpern

March 3rd - Traded Conditional 7th round pick in 2010 to CBS for Frederik Modin


2009-2010 - Acquired Smyth, signed Scuderi, drafted Schenn and Clifford

2009-2010 bad - claimed Jones



Make a case now if he is bad or good,

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He is one goal-scoring 1st liner away from doing a really great job.

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To inject my opinion, I think he has done a remarkable job, he has rebuilt the farm system from the ground up, and has the Kings in an excellent position to continue drafting very very well, in the 4 years he has been here, he has drafted at least 12 players that should make an impact on the NHL, that is 3 a year, which is pretty impressive, given that these kids are 18 etc.

I did not include the 2010 draft in the above.

As far as his trades go, I see nothing wrong, he hasn't gotten fleeced, he hasn't given away anything, he's gotten good value for what was needed, and his best trade to date is the deal that brought Johnson, closely followed by the deal that brought Smyth.

I even like the Visnovsky trade, but feel that was pretty even value.

His FA signings in the beginning were all filler guys, he signed what he needed to field a team while rebuilding the farm system, and this last off-season, 2009-2010, you can see it in the fact that he only had a few holes, and he signed Scuderi to a very good deal, didn't overpay for him, and that was about it.

This off-season is still up for grabs, but he has been one of the best GM;s this team has had in the past 25 years.

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He has provided us with a team that will compete for many years to come, and that is without including all of the prospects still to come up

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Also bad to start... Blake's craptacular return to LA...

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Looks like DL and the Kings had a lot of (bowel) movements in 2006-2008.

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Love Dean-O, but I REALLY don't like the last four things on that list there...

July 13th - Signed Brandon Segal

October 29th - Claimed Randy Jones off waivers

March 3rd - Traded Ted Purcell and FLA 3rd in 2010 to TB for Jeff Halpern

March 3rd - Traded Conditional 7th round pick in 2010 to CBS for Frederik Modin


Honestly not one of those things HELPED us.. You could make the case that they didn't hurt but... Still.

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Love Dean-O, but I REALLY don't like the last four things on that list there...

July 13th - Signed Brandon Segal

October 29th - Claimed Randy Jones off waivers

March 3rd - Traded Ted Purcell and FLA 3rd in 2010 to TB for Jeff Halpern

March 3rd - Traded Conditional 7th round pick in 2010 to CBS for Frederik Modin


Honestly not one of those things HELPED us.. You could make the case that they didn't hurt but... Still.
The team still made the playoffs and gave a scare to Vancouver. Nobody wins every decision. He's not as good as he thinks, but he's not as bad as some here think either.

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IMO the only really bad moves there are Cloutier, Blake, and Crawford but I believe we were purposely tanking (and it got us the big prize: Doughty). Handling of Cammalleri and trading him for Teubert was also not brilliant.

Otherwise, there's some great stuff there. (And of course a lot of filler. Every team's moves would look lame if you listed them this way.)

The bottom line, results!

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Love Dean-O, but I REALLY don't like the last four things on that list there...

July 13th - Signed Brandon Segal

October 29th - Claimed Randy Jones off waivers

March 3rd - Traded Ted Purcell and FLA 3rd in 2010 to TB for Jeff Halpern

March 3rd - Traded Conditional 7th round pick in 2010 to CBS for Frederik Modin


Honestly not one of those things HELPED us.. You could make the case that they didn't hurt but... Still.
We would have been swept without Modin.

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We were one Tyler Myers-away from having an outstanding 2008 draft, but i'm holding no grudges. We got what we got and i'm completely fine with that.

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Just as the team gets better every year, as does Lombardi's decision making. He's got the team on the right path. Still have yet to see him make that one move though that elevates the Kings to another level. That might have to come from within though with the proper development of prospects like Schenn, Hickey, etc.

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We would have been swept without Modin.

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Go watch the games again...looks like the 2 times that NHL network replayed the series wasn't enough for you to see that.

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Go watch the games again...looks like the 2 times that NHL network replayed the series wasn't enough for you to see that.
I've already had this discussion with other members. So I can't get involved in another one. But yeah.. He scores two bogus goals that were lucky to go in.. Another goal in a game that was WAY out of hand already and aside from those instances he was late to every puck, and basically was a pylon. He was a non factor and theres a reason that he wont see a single game in the NHL next year.

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I Think DL has done a great job... only thing that hurts

Not drafting Tyler Myers really hurts though....

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lol at getting Modin for free being a bad thing, are you serious?

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The Demitra trade was only good in the sense that it accelerated the tank job. You trade your leading scorer at the time for what turns out to be, in the end, Justin "Glass" Williams and Trevor Lewis. You also wind up adding a 2nd round pick to do so.

Dean does not get credit for drafting Bernier if he is absolved of the Lewis pick because it was "Al Murray's draft".

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I've already had this discussion with other members. So I can't get involved in another one. But yeah.. He scores two bogus goals that were lucky to go in.. Another goal in a game that was WAY out of hand already and aside from those instances he was late to every puck, and basically was a pylon. He was a non factor and theres a reason that he wont see a single game in the NHL next year.
... I'm one of Lombardi's biggest critics but I've said more than once that Modin was an excellent pickup. And since when are we judging goals??? If the puck goes in, it goes in, right? Guess we'd better take away 350 of Luc Robitaille's goals because they weren't "pretty" enough.

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Regarding the Teubert/Myers trade...

Buffalo moved up one spot and gave us a 3rd the following year.

We drafted Teubert
We traded the 3rd the following year to calgary and moved down a couple spots for Nicolas Deslauriers.
In the trade down we also acquired a 4th round pick in the same 2009 draft.
Lombardi then traded the pick for a 3rd rounder the following year in 2010.
This 3rd (Brock Beukeboom) was traded with Purcell to TB for Halpern.

What a rollercoaster.

By moving down that one spot in the draft we did end up with Deslauriers though. So it is not all bad.

Imagine if we hadn't traded for Halpern. We could have had Deslauriers and Beukeboom, all for the price of moving down one spot in the draft and a 5th rounder in 2009.

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I judge him by looking at the team when he came on board, looking at the team now, and projecting the team into the future. Any GM makes mistakes. Cherry picking the mistakes is a waste of time. DL has never made a crippling mistake, whether that's trading away a key player or making a signing with horrible long term cap implications.

So if you look into all the key areas:

Goaltending went from awful to good with a reasonable chance for greatness in the future.

Defense went from okay to good and projects to be great.

Bottom 6 went from okay to good with tons of options for the future.

Top 6 went from okay to good, but with a lot of question marks for the future.

Prospect depth looked good when he came on board, but that turned out to be illusory. Now, the pipeline is stacked except for scoring forwards.

I look at the big picture and see real progress. The team has improved every year and you would think will improve again this year. So the real question is how does DL address the issues with the top 6? That will determine whether he ends up being considered a good GM or a great GM.

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I judge him by looking at the team when he came on board, looking at the team now, and projecting the team into the future. Any GM makes mistakes. Cherry picking the mistakes is a waste of time. DL has never made a crippling mistake, whether that's trading away a key player or making a signing with horrible long term cap implications.

So if you look into all the key areas:

Goaltending went from awful to good with a reasonable chance for greatness in the future.

Defense went from okay to good and projects to be great.

Bottom 6 went from okay to good with tons of options for the future.

Top 6 went from okay to good, but with a lot of question marks for the future.

Prospect depth looked good when he came on board, but that turned out to be illusory. Now, the pipeline is stacked except for scoring forwards.

I look at the big picture and see real progress. The team has improved every year and you would think will improve again this year. So the real question is how does DL address the issues with the top 6? That will determine whether he ends up being considered a good GM or a great GM.
That pretty much says it better than how I know...how to say it...in words.

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After this reminder I'd like to change my mind and NEVER sign a free agent again. LOL.

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Hey guys,

Here is a compiled list of Dean Lombardi's drafts, signings, releases, and trades since coming here April 21st, 2006,

Someone please explain how he hasn't done a good job, I have read comments from a lot of people saying he hasn't, so I wanted to see for myself.

2006-2007

June Draft - Jonathon Bernier, Trevor Lewis, Joey Ryan, Jeff Zatkoff, Bud Holloway, Niklas Andersson, David Meckler, Martin Nolet, Constantin Braun

June 24st, traded Pavol Demitra to MIN for Patrick O'Sullivan and their 1st round pick in 2006 (Trevor Lewis)

July 1st - Signed Rob Blake, Scott Thornton

July 2nd - Signed Alyn McCauley

July 4th - Signed Brian Willsie

July 5th, traded LA 2nd in 2007 and conditional 2009 to VAN for Dan
Cloutier

July 10th - Signed Kevin Dallman

July 13th - Signed Raitias Ivanans

September 29th: Traded Tim Gleason and Eric Belanger to CAR for Jack Johnson and Oleg Tverdovsky

November 11th - Claimed Marty Murray off of waivers

January 18th - Claimed Sean Burke off of waivers

Jaunaury 20th - Traded Ryan Munce to TB for 4th round pick in 2008

January 29th - Traded Craig Conroy to CGY for Jaime Lundmark, a 2nd round pick in 2008 and a 4th round pick in 2007

February 5th - Traded Sean Avery and John Seymour to NYR for Marc Andre Cliche, Jason Ward and Jan Marek

February 26th - Traded Brent Sopel to VAN for 2nd round pick in 2007 (Wayne Simmonds) and 4th in 2008

Trade Deadline - Traded Mattias Norstrom, Konstantin Pushkarev, 3rd and 4th round picks in 2007 to DAL for Jaroslav Modry, Johan Fransso, 1st round pick in 2008, 2nd round pick in 2007 (Oscar Moller), 4th round pick in 2007

Traded Jason Ward to TB for 5th round pick in 2007

Traded Conditional 5th round pick in 2008 for Jaime Heward


To me it looks like he basicall came in, evaluated everyone, saw where the farm system was, signed a some depth players and started moving players for picks,

2006-2007 Good:

Traded older players for picks that turned into Moller and Simmonds, drafted Bernier

2006-2007 Bad

Signed Cloutier and McCauley

2007-2008

June 2007

Draft - Thomas Hickey, Oscar Moller, Wayne Simmonds, Bryan Cameron, Alec Martinez, Dwight King, Linden Rowat, Josh Turnbull, Josh Kidd, Matt Fillier

July 1st - Signed Ladislav Nagy, Kyle Calder, Tom Preissing, Michal Handzus

July 3rd - Signed Brad Stuart

August 20th - Signed Jon Klemm

August 28th - Signed J.S. Aubin

February 19th - Traded Jarolsav Modry to PHI for 2008 3rd round pick

February 21st - Claimed Matt Ellis off waivers

February 26th - Traded Brad Stuart to DET for 2008 2nd round pick and 2009 4th round pick

February 26th - Traded J.S. Aubin to ANA for 2008 7th round pick


2007-2008 Good - Signed Michal Handzus, Tom Preissing, drafted Moller, Simmonds, Hickey, Martinez, turned Modry into a 3rd and Stuart into a 2nd

2007-2008 - Bad - Signed Nagy and Calder

Again, looks like he signed filler players, and then moved players out for picks, rebuilding the farm system, with Moller, Simmonds, Hickey, Martinez etc

2008-2009

June Draft - Drew Doughty, Colton Teubert, Vyaschlav Voynov, Robbie Cznarik, Andrew Cambpell, Geordi Wurdick, Andrei Loktionov, Justin Azevedo, Garrett Roe

June 4th - Traded T.J. Fast to STL for 2009 4th round pick

June 20th - Traded Michael Cammalleri, 2008 2nd round pick to CGY for 1st round pick 2008, 2009 2nd round pick

June 20th - Traded 17th and 28th OA pick in 2008 to ANA for 12th OA pick in 2008

June 20th - Traded 12th OA pick to BUF for 13th OA pick and 2009 3rd round pick

June 21st - Traded 2008 2nd round pick to COL for Brad Richardson

June 21st - Traded 2008 3rd round pick to NYI for 2008 3rd and 4th round picks

June 21st - Traded 2009 4th, 2010 5th to SJ for 2008 4th

June 21st - Traded 2008 6th round to CHI for 2009 6th round pick

June 21st - Traded 2008 7th round to STL for 2009 7th round pick

June 29th - Traded Lubomir Visnovsky to EDM for Jarrett Stoll, Matt Greene

July 1st - Traded Patrick Hersley and Ned Lukavic to PHI for Dennis Gauthier and 2nd round pick in 2010

July 21st - Traded Lauri Kukonen to DAL for Richard Clune

Sept 30th - Traded Conditional Buf 3rd round pick in 2009 to ANA for Sean O'Donnell

October 13th - Claimed Kyle Quincey off waivers

December 30th - Traded Jason Labarbera to VAN for 2009 7th round pick

March 4th - Traded Patrick O'Sullivan and CGY 2nd round in 2009 to CAR for Justin Williams


2008-2009 good: Picked up Quincey, traded for Stoll, Greene, Williams, Richardson, and again, grabbed some picks for 2009 without giving up much drafted Doughty, Teubert, Voynov, Lotkionov

2008-2009 bad: Traded Cammalleri, but that's debatable as he could have left for nothing soon

2009-2010

June Draft - Brayden Schenn, Kyle Clifford, Nicolas Deslauriers, JF Berube, Linden Vey, David Kolamits, Michael Pelech, Brandon Kozun, Jordan Nolan, Nic Dowd

June 27th - Traded Brian Boyle to NYR for 2010 3rd round pick

June 27th - Traded 2009 3rd round pick to CGY for 2009 3rd and 4th round picks

June 27th - Traded 2 4th round picks in 2009 and a 7th round pick in 2009 to ATL for 4th round pick in 2009

June 27th - Traded 4th and 5th round picks in 2009 to FLA for 3rd round pick in 2010

July 2nd - Signed Rob Scuderi

July 3rd - Traded Kyle Quincey, Tom Preissing and 2010 5th round pick to COL for Ryan Smyth

July 13th - Signed Brandon Segal

October 29th - Claimed Randy Jones off waivers

March 3rd - Traded Ted Purcell and FLA 3rd in 2010 to TB for Jeff Halpern

March 3rd - Traded Conditional 7th round pick in 2010 to CBS for Frederik Modin


2009-2010 - Acquired Smyth, signed Scuderi, drafted Schenn and Clifford

2009-2010 bad - claimed Jones



Make a case now if he is bad or good,

It is exactly why he was fired and why Murray was fired everywhere...........

All in all adescent Job but not really agressive enough to win anything.
They doing the small things right but 29 other teams do that too.

Both are simply not agressive enough and live with more than one backdoor in every case to say something why i didn't happen.

BTW this is a good way to see a guy is a maker or breaker............
the breaker will always have a reason why something not worked out.

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