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08-19-2010, 06:56 PM
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Will be interesting to see how he works out. He has no chance of cracking the Canucks top lines (or any line for that matter). It was either money or wanting to play with his brother.

Maybe the Canucks tampered and told him to go to free agency so he could play with his brother.

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08-19-2010, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE=None Shall Pass;27451416]It's the summer, we all have a sweatty pair.[/QUO


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I think people thinking he won't make our bottom six are being a bit pessimistic. For better or worse, our bottom six in Vancouver are wide open going into the season. Those spots are all up for grabs. Chances are he won't make it, but he has as good of a chance as he would anywhere else.

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Tampering!
Brian Burke is involved. Is there such a thing as "reverse tampering"?

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Next Sedin brothers.


Book it.


Even though one plays D.

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08-19-2010, 07:03 PM
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I think people thinking he won't make our bottom six are being a bit pessimistic. For better or worse, our bottom six in Vancouver are wide open going into the season. Those spots are all up for grabs. Chances are he won't make it, but he has as good of a chance as he would anywhere else.
I still doubt he has any real chance, this season, of cracking the bottom 6.

The 3rd line will likey be Hodgson- Malhotra and someone... maybe Hansen or a bigger UFA...

I don't see the Canucks putting Sweatt on the 4th line unless he has an unbelievable camp as we have Glass, Rypien, Hordichuk, Oreskovich all batteling for those wing spots right now...

Sweatt needs some pro developement.

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You've got things backwards my friend.... it was the agent that screwed up.... Burke offered Sweatt's party a very enticing offer, and they declined it.

We got Mueller instead...

Their loss, our gain.
Only a Leaf fan could possibly believe that losing a prospect they traded for and getting nothing in return could be someone else's loss, and the Maple Leafs' gain.

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08-19-2010, 07:06 PM
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Only a Leaf fan could possibly believe that losing a prospect they traded for and getting nothing in return could be someone else's loss, and the Maple Leafs' gain.
Or, we're too close to the contract limit, and can only get one of them...

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Only a Leaf fan could possibly believe that losing a prospect they traded for and getting nothing in return could be someone else's loss, and the Maple Leafs' gain.
wow this is a great post, one of the best I have seen all year

I think people are being a tad to hard on the leafs tho..

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08-19-2010, 07:08 PM
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Gustavsson, Hanson, Bozak, Mueller, Rynnas....

Trading Free agents Ponikarovsky, Stempniak, Hagman, Mayers, Stajan, Moore, Toskala....

Getting rid of Blake...

enough said.
Shot blanks on the failed Kaberle trade possibilities. P**sed away the chance to draft Seguin. Didn't get draft picks in exchange for Poni. Traded for some Flames rejects.

Did anybody mention completely misjudging his team's ability to make the 2010 playoffs?

Yer right - enough said.

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Only a Leaf fan could possibly believe that losing a prospect they traded for and getting nothing in return could be someone else's loss, and the Maple Leafs' gain.
In fairness maybe he was saying it was the "Sweatt" party's loss not the Canucks. If he doesn't make the Canucks roster in the next year or two than ya, I can see it being his loss.

Still, as a Canucks fan I'm ecstatic that he's a part of our organization now. We were piling up too many top 6 and 4th line prospects as it was. Seems like an ideal 3rd liner in the future and I'd expect him to make our lineup before a guy like Shirokov would. Best of all we didn't really lose anything besides 1/50th of our contract max.

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Only a Leaf fan could possibly believe that losing a prospect they traded for and getting nothing in return could be someone else's loss, and the Maple Leafs' gain.
I find it funny that the "agent screwed up", Sweatt obviously wanted to explore free agency and an opportunity to maybe play with his brother. His agent likely got him what he wanted. Your post is dead on though.

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At worse the Moose get a brother combo. At best Bill could be a viable 4th liner, but probobly not this season.
I'm guessing you don't know who sweat is.
He has top 6 potential and will probably be playing on the canucks 3rd line. Putting a prospect with top 6 potential on the 4th line is as stupid as trading Phaneuf for garbage

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08-19-2010, 07:13 PM
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So far the score between Gillis and Burke 2-1 Gillis!

(Burke tries to steal the Sedins away, Gillis gets them)

(Gillis files tampering charges, Burke gets away with it)

(Gillis steals Burke's prospect from him, Gillis is laughing)

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I am tempted to put in more "Sweatt" jokes, but really, just happy to have more young college players filling out our ranks instead of the old school group of otherwise contract-less bums, veterans, career AHLers and prospects that didn't develop properly.

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Bill Sweatt becomes a decent 2nd liner in NHL 10. That's got to mean something, right?

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08-19-2010, 07:19 PM
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Brian Burke is involved. Is there such a thing as "reverse tampering"?
Toronto...Vancouver...there has to be tampering somewhere in there.

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08-19-2010, 07:20 PM
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So far the score between Gillis and Burke 2-1 Gillis!

(Burke tries to steal the Sedins away, Gillis gets them)

(Gillis files tampering charges, Burke gets away with it)

(Gillis steals Burke's prospect from him, Gillis is laughing)
Not really accurate. Burke was at 49/50 contracts. He could have either signed Sweatt or Muller. He chose the latter.

So ya, not really accurate (as much as I like to see Burke fall on his face).

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Only a Leaf fan could possibly believe that losing a prospect they traded for and getting nothing in return could be someone else's loss, and the Maple Leafs' gain.
I read it as "their" being Sweatt and his agent (since the commentary was about them), and it sounded to me like Sweatt lost out because he decided to hit FA and settle for the lowly Canucks instead of taking the offer from the mighty Leafs?

I'm curious though, how exactly did Sweatt lose out on anything here... sounds to me like he planned to sign with Vancouver all along, and why not? if you're not going to make the NHL, playing on the farm with his brother is probably a better incentive than playing on any other random AHL team, especially when the contracts are likely to be all in the same range given the ELC restriction.

and with the Canucks, while their top end is locked up long-term, their bottom-6 has little depth on the pro or farm levels. Even their top prospects all seem to be top-6 type players. The Canucks LW depth on the farm isn't all that great either, and Sweatt does have a shot to make the team in the next couple years... just because he picked the Canucks doesn't necessarily mean he's any further from making the NHL than if he had picked a lower ranked team like the Leafs.

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Anyway,

As best I understand it Sweatt and his agent were playing hard ball in Chicago. When Burke made the Versteeg trade he said "hey why don't you throw him" Bruke offered him a fairly standard ELC but his agent wanted more (additional performance bonuses and ice time guarantees, etc.) and Burke said no. The agent start 'threatening' free agency and Burke said have fun and withdrew the offer.


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So far the score between Gillis and Burke 2-1 Gillis!

(Burke tries to steal the Sedins away, Gillis gets them)

(Gillis files tampering charges, Burke gets away with it)

(Gillis steals Burke's prospect from him, Gillis is laughing)
What about Gillis pretends Bieksa is in play to muddy the Kaberle waters? That was a good one, detected by WC.

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I'm guessing you don't know who sweat is.
He has top 6 potential and will probably be playing on the canucks 3rd line. Putting a prospect with top 6 potential on the 4th line is as stupid as trading Phaneuf for garbage
He is a top 6 potential prospect that has great ability for the bottom 6. He is a feisty player, who can also be offensive. I don't mind putting him on the 3rd line or 4th line, since he tends to finish his checks. If he manages his way to the third line it's not like he's wasting offensive talent. Or our forth line, which currently looks like Perrault, Oreskovic, Rypien. (mind; Gillis has said he is looking at adding more depth) All who play very feisty and can chip in on the odd goal. When injuries arrive Sweatt has the ability to step into a 3rd line role and slowly make his way up.

Thats how he will have to make into the NHL. If he wanted a top 9 position out of the get go, he would have signed with the Leafs right away.

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I read it as "their" being Sweatt and his agent (since the commentary was about them), and it sounded to me like Sweatt lost out because he decided to hit FA and settle for the lowly Canucks instead of taking the offer from the mighty Leafs?

I'm curious though, how exactly did Sweatt lose out on anything here... sounds to me like he planned to sign with Vancouver all along, and why not? if you're not going to make the NHL, playing on the farm with his brother is probably a better incentive than playing on any other random AHL team, especially when the contracts are likely to be all in the same range given the ELC restriction.

and with the Canucks, while their top end is locked up long-term, their bottom-6 has little depth on the pro or farm levels. Even their top prospects all seem to be top-6 type players. The Canucks LW depth on the farm isn't all that great either, and Sweatt does have a shot to make the team in the next couple years... just because he picked the Canucks doesn't necessarily mean he's any further from making the NHL than if he had picked a lower ranked team like the Leafs.
The usual comment is that he'd have a much better chance at making the Leafs NHL roster because we suck. Whether that's true or not, who knows.

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The usual comment is that he'd have a much better chance at making the Leafs NHL roster because we suck. Whether that's true or not, who knows.
How is it not true?

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I read it as "their" being Sweatt and his agent (since the commentary was about them), and it sounded to me like Sweatt lost out because he decided to hit FA and settle for the lowly Canucks instead of taking the offer from the mighty Leafs?

I'm curious though, how exactly did Sweatt lose out on anything here... sounds to me like he planned to sign with Vancouver all along, and why not? if you're not going to make the NHL, playing on the farm with his brother is probably a better incentive than playing on any other random AHL team, especially when the contracts are likely to be all in the same range given the ELC restriction.

and with the Canucks, while their top end is locked up long-term, their bottom-6 has little depth on the pro or farm levels. Even their top prospects all seem to be top-6 type players. The Canucks LW depth on the farm isn't all that great either, and Sweatt does have a shot to make the team in the next couple years... just because he picked the Canucks doesn't necessarily mean he's any further from making the NHL than if he had picked a lower ranked team like the Leafs.
Yeah, that's what I meant. I have to wait and see the bonuses of the contract, but he likely would have received more in Toronto.

I already said its a good pickup for Vancouver.


Also, If that was Sweatt's plan, couldn't the Leafs argue that tampering was involved ...

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