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Frantisek Kaberle Sr. on his son: Tomas Kaberle won't re-sign if Wilson is coach

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08-20-2010, 11:37 AM
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Can't blame him if he doesn't want to. He's been shopped for 2 seasons now.

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4.5 million in cap space to buy a forward
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Kaberle's father also weighed in on how the Maple Leafs rebuilding efforts might be hampered by the passion and expectations of 'Leafs Nation'.

"I have been following Toronto for a long time," he said. “I didn't believe it much in the beginning, but it seems that the best players don't want to go to this club.

"The reason is because of the huge pressure from the fans, and especially the media. Not every hockey player is able to deal with it."
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=331099

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Amazing how speculation on the obvious is usually proved to be true in the end.

Phaneuf replaced Kaberle. Instead of trying to extend Kaberle, they were trying to trade him. Ron Wilson doesn't like Kaberle. And Kaberle is tired of it all.

Why would he re-sign in TO???



That article is one of the most controversial things i've ever seen TSN post up. It MUST be a slow month. Watch it become a total misquote tomorrow. lol

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08-20-2010, 11:38 AM
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but the teams who are interested no longer have to overpay, since toronto either loses him at the end of the year, or loses him via trade, they now have zero leverage in negotiations, if this report is true
At this past trade deadline the incredible Joe Corvo returned a 2nd + Osala

Kaberle has trade deadline value

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"He wants to stay in Toronto" -- Rick Curran, Agent For Tomas Kaberle, August 11th 2010

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slu...skaberle081110


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Not really, it means that if they trade him, he has a better chance of re-signing with the team he is traded to, rather than bolting back to Toronto.
Doesn't work that way sadly.

It is not that Kaberle has less value, it's that Brian Burke just lost his negotiating position.

However, Kaberle does not have a huge contract to move (Heatley) and would be moved during a period of fairly high demand. So the return won't be a joke, it just won't be what it could have been a week ago.

The real problem here is the Leafs can no longer say "we'll just keep him and be happy" because it's hollow. If he will not re-sign the Leafs can not risk losing him for nothing. Its not like they are going to contend this year, Kaberle for one year does them no good.

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"The reason is because of the huge pressure from the fans, and especially the media. Not every hockey player is able to deal with it."

If a son doesn't like the media spotlight maybe his father should not be giving these types of interviews to papers.

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color me shocked...

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Right. Because Frantisek Kaberle Sr. is the final word on NHL free agency.

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4.5 million in cap space to buy a forward
Like who?

http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?Y...ion=F&FAType=2

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but the teams who are interested no longer have to overpay, since toronto either loses him at the end of the year, or loses him via trade, they now have zero leverage in negotiations, if this report is true
I agree.

The argument the whole time in Kaberle threads was, "we'll just resign him then"

Might not be the case anymore. Pull the trigger now and get value, or possibly lose him for nothing.

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"He wants to stay in Toronto" -- Rick Curran, Agent For Tomas Kaberle, August 11th 2010
That's simply Kaberle and his agent being respectable. Putting on a good face because I doubt Kaberle wants to hurt the Leafs, he just wants out. Pulling a Heatley is not in his personality.

Do people really believe Kaberle's father is so out of touch with his son, or that he'd flat out lie to the media, hurting his son and his son's team? This came from somewhere. The logical explanation is Kaberle is upset (totally understandable) and is a good guy and is not going to make a spectacle about it.

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not surprised in the least.

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Right. Because Frantisek Kaberle Sr. is the final word on NHL free agency.
i'd believe his dad before almost anyone else on this issue.

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but but but everyone wants to play in Tarana!

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Doesn't work that way sadly.

It is not that Kaberle has less value, it's that Brian Burke just lost his negotiating position.

However, Kaberle does not have a huge contract to move (Heatley) and would be moved during a period of fairly high demand. So the return won't be a joke, it just won't be what it could have been a week ago.

The real problem here is the Leafs can no longer say "we'll just keep him and be happy" because it's hollow. If he will not re-sign the Leafs can not risk losing him for nothing. Its not like they are going to contend this year, Kaberle for one year does them no good.
that's not the only real problem.

IMO the biggest problem is that the window where his NTC was inactive is gone. Now he has a say in any trade he's part of.

That will limit the market for him... if he doesn't want to go to a team, he just says no. Pre-August 15th, the Leafs could move him anywhere, discuss options with any team. Now, they're restricted to which teams Kaberle would want to waive his NTC to go to - so you can pretty much take any non-top level contender out of the picture.

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Not really, it means that if they trade him, he has a better chance of re-signing with the team he is traded to, rather than bolting back to Toronto.
how so? did he say that he'd be interested in negotiating an extension with another team he's dealt to? Is there any reason at all to believe that he just won't wait till FA to sign first?

I know Bieksa, for example, made it public that he'd be interested in signing an extension with any team he's moved to and wouldn't explore FA. Is there anything - rumours, gossip, actual quotes, anything - that indicates that Kaberle would be willing to do the same?

or would any club acquiring consider him a true rental player that is more likely to hit the UFA market than not?

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At this past trade deadline the incredible Joe Corvo returned a 2nd + Osala

Kaberle has trade deadline value
Kaberle has a NTC and Burke has already said on numerous occasions that he won't ask him to waive it.

If Kaberle asks to be traded it will only be to a few teams so there will be less of a market and less of a return.

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i'd believe his dad before almost anyone else on this issue.
On what issue? The likelihood of free agents signing with Toronto? What could he possibly know about that?

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this article from a Czech hockey magazine says Kaberle's Father indicated that Kaberle would welcome a trade from the Leafs and won't re-sign with the Leafs at the end of the season.

If true what do the Leafs do now? Does this force their hand into trading him? Does this make his value less as other GM's know he wants to be moved? Do people think this is legit? If so, it doesn't look real good for Burke.


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=331099

Well I don't blame Kaberle one bit!!! I wouldn't want to play for a team that shoved him on the trading block several times. The Leafs showed that they didn't want him by looking to trade him....and then taking him back when they realized that no other team in the league is going to give the Leafs what Burke wants in return for him.


They handled Kaberle very unprofessionally IMO. If I was Kaberle, I'd demand a trade and force Burke to take less for him.

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Do people really believe Kaberle's father is so out of touch with his son, or that he'd flat out lie to the media, hurting his son and his son's team?
Evidently they do.

Hilarious, isn't it?

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Right. Because Frantisek Kaberle Sr. is the final word on NHL free agency.
Fair enough but who was the last A List UFA that Toronto signed?

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The title of this is misleading. TSN isn't saying Kaberle won't re-sign, it's just his angry father saying that.

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Once again, Burke proves why he's the most overrated GM in the game.

Leafs hands are tied now.

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Right. Because Frantisek Kaberle Sr. is the final word on NHL free agency.
I would think a Father knows his son...

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"He wants to stay in Toronto" -- Rick Curran, Agent For Tomas Kaberle, August 11th 2010

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slu...skaberle081110
Kovy said he wanted to stay in Atlanta

Don't believe a word these players and agents say. What did you expect him to say? "Kaberle hates Toronto and wants out" ?

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Fair enough but who was the last A List UFA that Toronto signed?
Kubina i'd say.

The Leafs have no problem signing free agents.

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