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08-21-2010, 05:25 PM
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NHL adopts rule change to standings tie break

Per EJHradek_ESPN on Twitter:

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NHL confirms this rule change: Regulation/OT wins (shootout Ws EXCLUDED) now will be first way to break ties in the standings.

Columbus GM Scott Howson had proposed this tie-breaker rule change/adjustment at the GM Meetings in March.
Thoughts? Personally, I like the rule change. More weight should be given to a win in regulation or OT.

Maybe this will ease some bitterness a lot of fans have with the shootout system...

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I like it better, but it was also originally Ken Holland's idea, not Scott Howson as Hradek days.

More onus to go out in win games.

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I like this.

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Thank god.

I welcome the change and will be looking forward (hopefully) to more competitive hockey games this coming season.

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Well, that makes sense. No wonder it wasn't a rule before.

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Meh. Its better but I still think we should go back to W-L-T or just make it W-L and no points for the loser in OT or a shootout.

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I think the first way to break a tie should be regulation wins alone, but this isn't bad.

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I've done no research on this, but this could have potentially altered our postseason seed last year and completely thrown off the Cup run. Again, it may not have mattered at all. But interesting enough to ponder.

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Meh. Its better but I still think we should go back to W-L-T or just make it W-L and no points for the loser in OT or a shootout.
Some of our opinions have clashed in the past, but I'm in total agreement with you here (Not sure if that's good or bad... )

I can't stand the shootout and the loser point.

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Would the standing have been any different last year if this rule was in place?

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I've done no research on this, but this could have potentially altered our postseason seed last year and completely thrown off the Cup run. Again, it may not have mattered at all. But interesting enough to ponder.
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Would the standing have been any different last year if this rule was in place?
From what I could find, unless I am misunderstanding this somehow ...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...outTeamSummary

Old tiebreaker
Flyers = 41 wins
Canadiens = 39

New tiebreaker
Flyers = 37 (4-3 in shootouts)
Canadiens = 32 (7-5 in shootouts)

No change for the Flyers.

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now if we can only get rid of the single point for a OTL

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now if we can only get rid of the single point for a OTL
Nah, the loser point in OT/SO is good... they need to just add a point to a regulation win, so that every game is worth 3 points, as opposed to some being 2 while others are 3 now.

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2 points reg win
1 point OT/shootout win

0 points OT loss/shootout loss.


simple. clean. done.

why are we rewarding a loss?

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2 points reg win
1 point OT/shootout win

0 points OT loss/shootout loss.


simple. clean. done.

why are we rewarding a loss?
Because there's a big difference between losing a game in regulation, and losing it in 4 on 4 hockey and a shootout.

Reward the regulation win more.

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3 points for a regulation win.
1 point for a regulation tie.
1 point for winning OT/SO.

No rewarding losses.

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of course this happens while we are going into this season with possibly our best shootout lineup ever.

1. briere
2. zherdev
3. giroux

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Because there's a big difference between losing a game in regulation, and losing it in 4 on 4 hockey and a shootout.

Reward the regulation win more.
My bigger issue is rewarding two points for a shootout win. I'd rather they just bring back ties, and if the game is even after 4-on-4 hockey, both teams get a point.

If the concern is teams playing for a tie at the end of games and overtime, make the OT 3-on-3. Guaranteed a very low percentage of games end up deadlocked, and while 3-on-3 is a tad "gimicky", at least it's not a skills competition (at least not on the level of a shootout).

But yea, this is all probably just stemming from me being more of a traditionalist. I don't like the shootout, and I never saw a big problem with the old W-L-T system.

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The way it should be. It's a happy balance between opinions of people who like/dislike the shootout as a way to determine the extra point.

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of course this happens while we are going into this season with possibly our best shootout lineup ever.

1. briere
2. zherdev
3. giroux
1. Zherdev
2. Giroux
3. Briere
4. vanRiemsdyk
5. Richards
6. Carter

We could set up 2 legitimate and full shootout lineups in reality.

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What's the argument against having head-to-head record being the 1st tiebreaker?

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What's the argument against having head-to-head record being the 1st tiebreaker?
Sample size

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My bigger issue is rewarding two points for a shootout win. I'd rather they just bring back ties, and if the game is even after 4-on-4 hockey, both teams get a point.

If the concern is teams playing for a tie at the end of games and overtime, make the OT 3-on-3. Guaranteed a very low percentage of games end up deadlocked, and while 3-on-3 is a tad "gimicky", at least it's not a skills competition (at least not on the level of a shootout).

But yea, this is all probably just stemming from me being more of a traditionalist. I don't like the shootout, and I never saw a big problem with the old W-L-T system.
I think teams should be rewarded for beating other teams in 60 minutes, over beating them in OT/SO, no argument there. However, I don't think the solution to that is making it 0 points for losing in OT or a shootout.

Give 3 points for a regulation win.

Give 1 point each for a tie after regulation, and then you're playing for the extra point in OT/SO.

While I think the current system rewards teams too much for winning in the OT format we currently have, I also think it's unfair for a team to get 0 points when they were tied after regulation... especially when you're FORCING a decision.

Editor's Note: The NHL's argument against the 3 point format that they've put forward is that they're concerned that it will spread out the standings too much, and they like having the tight standings for keeping teams in the playoff race.... even if it's inherently unfair and doesn't reward the good teams as much as they should.

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