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Why Didn't Burke Take It and Run?

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08-21-2010, 07:22 PM
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Normally im the first guy to say Burke overvalues his players but he probably made the right decision here. Ribeiro's good but he definitely doesn't fit what Burke is trying to do. Along with that, Kaberle is better than Ribeiro so if it was just Ribeiro alone he definitely wasn't getting the best of it. I think he'll probably find a better offer out there than just RIbeiro alone.

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08-21-2010, 07:25 PM
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Ribiero would help the leafs offense, no doubt, but looking at things strategically, Burke made the right move by not taking him for Kaberle.

If he hangs on to him and Kaberle plays well, Burke will get a decent deal around the deadline.
A 1st (from a contender) and a mid-tier prospect? Maybe add a 3rd liner?
Kovalchuk fetched Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier and a mid round 1st... you can't expect that "good" of a return for Kaberle?

Campbell got Steve Bernier and a late 1st...

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08-21-2010, 07:25 PM
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It's been widely speculated that Ribeiro has been offered throughout the league for some time. Apparently the other 28 GM's (29 if you include Joe who is willing to get rid of him) agree with Burke's assessment.

His talent would have helped the Leafs no doubt, but I would rather save that 5 Million in cap space and look in a different direction. I lost respect for him as a player dating back to his Hab days.

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08-21-2010, 07:29 PM
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Dallas Stars GM Joe Nieuwendyk has confirmed that the Stars have pulled out of the Kaberle sweepstakes. It had been rumoured that Dallas had offered forward Mike Ribeiro, but that wasn't enough for Leafs GM Brian Burke. Ribeiro isn't a Burke type of player anyways, he lacks truculence and character.
For all we know the offer may have never happened.

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08-21-2010, 07:33 PM
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For all we know the offer may have never happened.
There was another article with a quote from GM:Joe that he said, in person, that he had offered Ribeiro for Kaberle. I just can't find it :[

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08-21-2010, 07:35 PM
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is a decent team slumps, or a top pair defender goes down on a top team, the rumors will flair up in a heartbeat

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There was another article with a quote from GM:Joe that he said, in person, that he had offered Ribeiro for Kaberle. I just can't find it :[
I hope he didn't... It would be a dick move to tell the press you tried to trade away one of your roster players, especially if he's signed for 3 more years...

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08-21-2010, 07:39 PM
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A 1st (from a contender) and a mid-tier prospect? Maybe add a 3rd liner?
Kovalchuk fetched Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier and a mid round 1st... you can't expect that "good" of a return for Kaberle?

Campbell got Steve Bernier and a late 1st...
Who said anything about the return being Kovalchuk like...? lol...you.

All I'm saying is that he can get someone he's more interested in bringing into the franchise other than Ribiero.

Even Bernier and a 1st isn't a bad return as an example.

Everyone knows Burke values his "type" of player that plays the style he wants over talent.

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08-21-2010, 07:40 PM
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Burke, like all GMs, builds their team based on what they believe will win a championship. Burke believes in his system and has won using it in the past with Anaheim. It's as simple as that.

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I hope he didn't... It would be a dick move to tell the press you tried to trade away one of your roster players, especially if he's signed for 3 more years...
It's very clear that he's already tried to ship him to EVERY OTHER TEAM.

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08-21-2010, 07:45 PM
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It's very clear that he's already tried to ship him to EVERY OTHER TEAM.
How is that clear? Do you have inside information? Because some guy posted it on a forum doesn't make it true. And even if he shopped him around, no way a GM would go to the press and tell them he tried to move one of his players and didn't succeed.

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08-21-2010, 07:50 PM
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Except the Leafs are not rebuilding. They want to win and want to win now. Thats the way Burke has been operating and was only sellers at the deadline because they were the worst team in the NHL. Burke even said last season that he expected the Leafs to make the playoffs and unlike most rebuilding teams, the Leafs are spending way past the cap so don't consider them anywhere near rebuilding mode. The fact they were link to Savard should show you that they are interested in players that could help them win now and Ribeiro for Kabs (if that was really the deal) would help the Leafs team next year.
It's more of a calculated rebuild. Contrary to popular belief, a rebuild does not necessary mean "tanking" for half a decade or so, and then plucking the top picks.

The Leaf team you will see on the ice this upcoming season has been turned over upside down, shaken about, and now left with an infusion of youth which is in place of what was the past. This IS a rebuild, and a rebuild which is in progress.

The Leafs are in a "win now" mode but not a "we'll win the stanley cup this season" mode. There is a difference there. Leafs are aiming to make the playoffs this season, and rightfully so, but skipping out on a player like Rebiero won't break that goal.

Rebiero would be a great pick up if the Leafs were looking and were ready to do some damage in the playoffs.


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You can't "rebuild" when you don't have picks. Burke wants to "retool" the team. He doesn't have a proven 1st line center and he has one too many defenseman. If this deal was really proposed it is ridiculous he didn't make it, if only to prevent a division rival to get another lottery pick. Without Kaberle though Komisarek would have been far less useful to the Leafs, he needs an offensively gifted guy like Markov or Kaberle next to him to start the attack and make him look good.
Again, there's more then just one way to "rebuild" a team. Also the Leafs have plenty of picks, and just completed a very prosperous draft.

Yes, there is no "proven" first line center, but that does not mean the Leafs have to trade Kaberle for Ribeiro to fill that gap. Other alternatives can be found without created a bigger hole in the back end. As for the surplus of Defensemen, Burke has stated that he is quite comfortable with that situation would like to go through a season with that depth.

There is no need to just throw Kaberle away for a 1st line centre.

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08-21-2010, 07:51 PM
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How is that clear? Do you have inside information? Because some guy posted it on a forum doesn't make it true. And even if he shopped him around, no way a GM would go to the press and tell them he tried to move one of his players and didn't succeed.
Theres no way? im pretty sure theres a way.

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08-21-2010, 07:55 PM
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Kaberle is on the most overrated players here but I think his value is more then Ribeiro.

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To answer the OP: because Ribeiro is an egotistical jerk off, a very poor example of a team player, a atrocious diver and one of the least liked players in the NHL

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08-21-2010, 07:57 PM
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Because "Burke Players" aren't the only way to win, and Burke fails to realize that.
Ah yeah for sure, because Kessel is a Burke type player? Versteeg is a Burke type player? Lebda is a Burke type player?

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08-21-2010, 08:04 PM
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Ah yeah for sure, because Kessel is a Burke type player? Versteeg is a Burke type player? Lebda is a Burke type player?
Im sorry to say but, I didn't like the Versteeg trade, I thought that Toronto overpaid in 3 promising prospects. And please, please, dont talk about lebda.

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08-21-2010, 08:06 PM
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just out of curiosity why did you add Schenn?
Meant to say Grabovski.

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Read what you just posted here. Contradictory, no?

Bottom line, the center position in Toronto could have become questionably respectable rather than bottom 5 in the NHL.
Of course it is... that's what you've gotta do when you're trying to do 2 things at once. The Leafs depth at centre is one of the worst in the league, but there is a ton of potential. As another poster mentioned, they're doing a calculated rebuild while trying to win. When you look at the team, Toronto is in a position where they've simply gotta put those young centres in a position to suceed, and address teh glaring holes in the lineup (size on the wing, puckmoving D if Kabs is gone).


While there are obvious needs for the Leafs, you don't make a trade just because it happens to meet those needs. Proposals must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis as to it's merits and costs. In this case, they're better off with Kaberle moving the puck + the young guys in the middle than they are with a notorious diver and not much of a transition game.

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08-21-2010, 08:10 PM
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I wouldn't be particularly interested in Kaberle, anyway. The Stars' defense is bad enough as it is. A Kaberle-Robidas defense pairing would finish minus-30.

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It's more of a calculated rebuild. Contrary to popular belief, a rebuild does not necessary mean "tanking" for half a decade or so, and then plucking the top picks.

The Leaf team you will see on the ice this upcoming season has been turned over upside down, shaken about, and now left with an infusion of youth which is in place of what was the past. This IS a rebuild, and a rebuild which is in progress.

The Leafs are in a "win now" mode but not a "we'll win the stanley cup this season" mode. There is a difference there. Leafs are aiming to make the playoffs this season, and rightfully so, but skipping out on a player like Rebiero won't break that goal.

Rebiero would be a great pick up if the Leafs were looking and were ready to do some damage in the playoffs.




Again, there's more then just one way to "rebuild" a team. Also the Leafs have plenty of picks, and just completed a very prosperous draft.

Yes, there is no "proven" first line center, but that does not mean the Leafs have to trade Kaberle for Ribeiro to fill that gap. Other alternatives can be found without created a bigger hole in the back end. As for the surplus of Defensemen, Burke has stated that he is quite comfortable with that situation would like to go through a season with that depth.

There is no need to just throw Kaberle away for a 1st line centre.
Don't get ahead of yourself. It was a average draft class and they didn't even pick until the 2nd round.

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08-21-2010, 08:21 PM
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This "calculated rebuild" is basically Burke trying to avoid the embarrassment of giving Boston another top pick yet not completely destroy their future by trading prospects for 30+ year old vets. If the Leafs had a first round pick, Kaberle would be gone right now for the biggest package of prospects available and the leafs would be doing a true rebuild.

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I think the Leafs would have preferred Neal over Ribeiro.

But Ribeiro is not the type of center the Leafs need. They need a big center, that's what they're looking for.

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Don't get ahead of yourself. It was a average draft class and they didn't even pick until the 2nd round.
Fine. Leafs had a mediocre draft in an average draft. That still doesn't mean that the Leafs are starving of picks and prospects and do not have any means to improve from now on.

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i would pass on ribeiro as well. if your building a winning team he could be a supporting player but certainly not a key player, better not to commit 5 million to him and pay him like a key player.

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Burke is a fool if he turned down Kaberle for Ribeiro straight up. I wouldn't be surprised if he did.


He took Phaneuf with his character issues. So why not Ribeiro? At least Ribeiro would live up to his contract.

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