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09-10-2010, 09:26 AM
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I'm not gonna quote the above post, but from what I recall of that season the NHL was on strike so a lot of teams sent players down who were eligible to play in the "A" (Spezza, Cammy, Staal, etc).

I don't remember the Dogs having anyone in the top 20 in scoring that season in the AHL. Pleks was first or second in scoring on the team, around 65 points, give or take a few.

I do recall that they shared their farm team with Dallas that year. Dallas provided Dan Ellis, Trevor Daley, Steve Ott and Antti Miettenen.

It was a good team at that time, but not stacked back then, they got smoked by Rochester in 4 games in the playoffs after finishing the season with around 85-90 pts.

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It was indeed the lock-out year and that is exactly the reason why they got kicked out of the playoffs that year( not because they were not "stacked".)

Hamilton only had two forwards sent down from the NHL
Jason Ward
Steve Begin (only took part 25 games including playoffs games).

That team was still deeper than the actual team if you ask me.

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It was indeed the lock-out year and that is exactly the reason why they got kicked out of the playoffs that year( not because they were not "stacked".)

Hamilton only had two forwards sent down from the NHL
Jason Ward
Steve Begin (only took part 25 games including playoffs games).

That team was still deeper than the actual team if you ask me.
The '04-'05 wasn't stacked at all. Aside from Pleks and Higgins they weren't anything special.

The best AHL team I've ever seen was likely the '02-'03 Dogs, that lineup was stacked.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...007912003.html

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The '04-'05 wasn't stacked at all. Aside from Pleks and Higgins they weren't anything special.
We were talking about depth... not top end talent. And 04-05 roster was deep.

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Yeah I agree. And that just adds strenght to my argument : the actual team is not the deepest ever.

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We were talking about depth... not top end talent. And 04-05 roster was deep.
Maybe I'm not understanding, but I wouldn't call '04-'05 deep personally,

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...007912005.html

Not as good as the past two years have been imo. I remember that season well, Danis was great, Ellis couldn't buy win, I hated Ott but he played well. I remember getting mad every time Ellis was put in net, but funny how it works out since he turned out to be the much better NHL.

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This year's Dogs could be really good and really deep:

Avtsin-Desharnais-White
Pacioretty-Engqvist-Palushaj
Russell-Maxwell-Schultz
Conboy-Fortier-Wyman
Bonneau

(Masse, Dumont, Bishop in ECHL)

Henry-Webber
Nash-Klubertanz
St.Denis-Carle
Urquhart

Sanford
Mayer

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This year's Dogs could be really good and really deep:

Avtsin-Desharnais-White
Pacioretty-Engqvist-Palushaj
Russell-Maxwell-Schultz
Conboy-Fortier-Wyman
Bonneau

(Masse, Dumont, Bishop in ECHL)

Henry-Webber
Nash-Klubertanz
St.Denis-Carle
Urquhart

Sanford
Mayer
If Maxwell is sent back, he wont be the third line center. He would be the first one if it wasnt for Desharnais being an all-star at this level.

I think it would look something like this

Pacioretty - Desharnais - White
Avtsin - Maxwell - Palushaj
Russell - Engqvist - Wyman
Schultz - Fortier - Conboy

D and G looks fine though.

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This year's Dogs could be really good and really deep:

Avtsin-Desharnais-White
Pacioretty-Engqvist-Palushaj
Russell-Maxwell-Schultz
Conboy-Fortier-Wyman
Bonneau

(Masse, Dumont, Bishop in ECHL)

Henry-Webber
Nash-Klubertanz
St.Denis-Carle
Urquhart

Sanford
Mayer
Looks good, I'd assume that Carle and St. Denis take the 2nd D pairing though. Also Maxwell taking the #2 center spot.

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Couldn't care less about Massé.....but I want Dumont in the AHL.

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I can see Engqvist playing RW on one line

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I can see Engqvist playing RW on one line
It's still tough to remove anybody from that roster though. Unless somebody decides that Wyman has no future for us and that it's better to develop Dumont then to play Wyman for whatever reason.....or that Conboy could be the one going in the ECHL.....

The easiest decision would be to send Dumont in the ECHL. But I really want to see what he could do this year in that kind of opposition.

I'm not a Fortier fan but I guess he has the edge for a spot. Bonneau is not in play 'cause he's not going to be a regular in the lineup.

I also wonder.....is Schultz really done with the WHL? Can he go back as a 20yo? I know, I wouldn't want to see that, but I'm just wondering if this is still in play.

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Couldn't care less about Massé.....but I want Dumont in the AHL.
Me too but who do you send to the Nailers? Conboy? Schultz? Wyman?

Do you play Dumont in a checking role with the Dogs or send him to the ECHL for top line minutes on a line with Masse?

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Me too but who do you send to the Nailers? Conboy? Schultz? Wyman?

Do you play Dumont in a checking role with the Dogs or send him to the ECHL for top line minutes on a line with Masse?
Like I said in the other post, it's a tough call. Honestly, I'd prefer seeing Dumont in the AHL with maybe the possibilities of PP#2 or if somebody struggles, well Dumont is there to replace them.

I won't make it a big deal. I would expect Dumont to have one heck of an offensive season with Wheeling. But I believe he'd be better serve in Hamilton. Which one would he replace? Well all 3 you named are possibilities. So is Fortier. Though, Montreal, the poster, could probably say that Conboy and Wyman progressed as the season passed by which make it irrelevant to ship them to lower leagues.

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The easiest decision would be to send Dumont in the ECHL. But I really want to see what he could do this year in that kind of opposition.

I also wonder.....is Schultz really done with the WHL? Can he go back as a 20yo? I know, I wouldn't want to see that, but I'm just wondering if this is still in play.
Not that I expect it to happen but who owns Dumont's rights cause I thought I heard something about the Volts trading his rights but perhaps I am wrong.

I don't see Schultz going back to the dub, I'd rather see him in the ECHL.

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This year's Dogs could be really good and really deep:

Avtsin-Desharnais-White
Pacioretty-Engqvist-Palushaj
Russell-Maxwell-Schultz
Conboy-Fortier-Wyman
Bonneau

(Masse, Dumont, Bishop in ECHL)

Henry-Webber
Nash-Klubertanz
St.Denis-Carle
Urquhart

Sanford
Mayer
Schultz shouldn't get time over Wyman on the 3rd line and I would think Bishop will be with the Dogs all year.

I also think St-Denis will have a much bigger role then 3rd pairing, same for Carle.

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Me too but who do you send to the Nailers? Conboy? Schultz? Wyman?

Do you play Dumont in a checking role with the Dogs or send him to the ECHL for top line minutes on a line with Masse?
I can't see them sending Wyman or Conboy to the ECHL.

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I can't see any of our roster guys from last year hitting the ECHL. Maybe another player loan agreement ala Greg Stewart.

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Not that I expect it to happen but who owns Dumont's rights cause I thought I heard something about the Volts trading his rights but perhaps I am wrong.
Drumondville still own his right. he was rumored to be involded in the Jake Allen trade but it was our own Lefebvre and Charles Landry who went to the mtl juniors instead

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I can't see any of our roster guys from last year hitting the ECHL. Maybe another player loan agreement ala Greg Stewart.
Hamilton's roster is far from being too deep

Last year Hamilton started the year with this roster :
Glumac-Maxwell-Kostitsyn
Trotter-Desharnais-Darche
Russell-White-Wyman
Stewart-Pyatt-Johansson
Extra : Conboy, Masse, Fortier, Lacroix, Neilson

Subban-Weber
Henry-Belle
Benoit-Carle
Extra : St-Denis, Anderson

It's true that the fact that Masse and Fortier missed almost all the season with injuries didn't help, but keep in mind that the Dogs signed Grant Stevenson during the season and gived a few games the some echlers (Kinasewich, Curadeau, Murphy) and they still played games with only 17 skaters. I think that St-Denis and Anderson even played forward for a few games also to fill for injuries.

So I wouldn't worry too much about Dumont and Bishop going to the ECHL. You need one injury at the NHL level (which also means a call-up) and an injury in the AHL and those 2 become AHL regulars.

Last year we were excepting to see a lot of players in the ECHL but finally only Lacroix and Mayer played with the Cyclones.

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Drumondville still own his right. he was rumored to be involded in the Jake Allen trade but it was our own Lefebvre and Charles Landry who went to the mtl juniors instead
Thanks. I see that Landry got signed by tampa, was hoping we would have invited him to our rookie camp.

What's your take on Marc-Antoine Desnoyers? Seems like it would be a good idea to sign him and send him to the ECHL for depth as we are a little thin on LD prospects.

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Thanks. I see that Landry got signed by tampa, was hoping we would have invited him to our rookie camp.

What's your take on Marc-Antoine Desnoyers? Seems like it would be a good idea to sign him and send him to the ECHL for depth as we are a little thin on LD prospects.
was hoping to get Landry too at our camp. imo he was one of the most underated d-man in the Q. not surprised TB sign him

about Desnoyers, i think he would be a good fit for our echl team. i don't know what are his plan. i know he's supposed to go play for UQTR (CIS) so i dont know he would leave that for the echl.

Bissallion could be a good fit for our echl team

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was hoping to get Landry too at our camp. imo he was one of the most underated d-man in the Q. not surprised TB sign him

about Desnoyers, i think he would be a good fit for our echl team. i don't know what are his plan. i know he's supposed to go play for UQTR (CIS) so i dont know he would leave that for the echl.

Bissallion could be a good fit for our echl team
Well Desnoyers could talk to Frédéric St-Denis, didn't he play for UQTR for a year before going to the ECHL. I know St-Denis is getting crapped on for last night but he really impressed me as the season wore on last year, I expect him to be a solid AHLer for us, hope to see Desnoyers signed and follow in his steps as I heard a lot of good things about St-Denis during his rookie year with Cincy.

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I really wonder why we didn't go after Parkes and Landry at our rookie camp. Now, both guys have signed a contract. Good for them, but I wished it would have been with us.

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Well Desnoyers could talk to Frédéric St-Denis, didn't he play for UQTR for a year before going to the ECHL. I know St-Denis is getting crapped on for last night but he really impressed me as the season wore on last year, I expect him to be a solid AHLer for us, hope to see Desnoyers signed and follow in his steps as I heard a lot of good things about St-Denis during his rookie year with Cincy.
good point Dan, i hope Desnoyer is going to take the pro route. he's got good offensive upside. need work defensively. the day he was traded to Drumondville and Guy Boucher in the qmjhl he became a much much better hockey player. before he was your pretty average qmjhl d-man. Last 2 year he was dominant


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I really wonder why we didn't go after Parkes and Landry at our rookie camp. Now, both guys have signed a contract. Good for them, but I wished it would have been with us.
you could add Antoine Roussel to that list. (not sign yet by the bruins) but heard some good word about him at the bruins camp from Kirk Luedeke on his blog

http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot...unday-919.html

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you could add Antoine Roussel to that list. (not sign yet by the bruins) but heard some good word about him at the bruins camp from Kirk Luedeke on his blog

http://bruins2011draftwatch.blogspot...unday-919.html
Well I always was a Roussel fan as well though I will not believe he had a pretty high hockey IQ. He is though that relentless pinball man that could end up playing an effective 4th line role.

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Schultz shouldn't get time over Wyman on the 3rd line and I would think Bishop will be with the Dogs all year.
I disagree for 2 reasons

1.Habs have always given an advantage to players they got from via trades for some reason, Pouliot last season and Eller this season are good examplesé

2. Looking at Schultz overall potential which a lot more then Wyman and Bishop put together, they can't send a potential future NHL player to the ECHL for 2 career AHLers, it would be bad management imo.

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