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The All-Around Kovalchuk UFA Thread Pt. IV: NJ submits new contract
we were able to bury malakhov just fine, i'm sure that Lou would not have continued pursuing Kovy if he was not confident he could offer Kovy a valid contract this time and not gut the team to do it. Pittsburgh is not in a strong position to acquire Kovalchuk becuase HE HAS GIVEN NO INDICATION THAT HE IS EVEN INTERESTED IN GOING THERE. He is not a trading card that can just go to the highest bidder. Maybe in your fantasy land he will land in Pittsburgh, but all evidence points to him wanting to be a Devil. I think that is why he was flabbergasted by your what can only be labeled as daydream speculation.
All evidence points to him wanting to sign for the most money he can get.
By all accounts, sans Russia, The Devils simply offered the most money.
He's a great player and you can make a case he's worth MORE to NJ since they gave up assets to get his rights at last years deadline.
If he simply wanted to be a Devil, he could have signed prior to July 1st and saved everyone the drama
I think Kovy appreciates the Devils organization and their generous offer. But if they cant work out an agreeable package I have no doubt Kovalchuk will sign with the best offer standing.
I will accept he has some teams he wouldnt sign with like Edmonton, the Yotes etc
What can I say? The Meadowlands Sports Complex is literally a parking lot, and the Giants and Jets have a special case because they have "New York" in their name even though they play in Jersey, thus allowing them to shun where their home really is and have parades down the Canyon of Heroes.
But, I've already got it planned out...
Start on Broad Street near Military Park and NJPAC, head south and turn east on Raymond, then turn south again on Mulberry and have the rally at Championship Plaza.
__________________ "I hate the Rangers, and Lou hates them to death." - Martin Pierre Brodeur @DeFazioNJ
Yes, sir! Opposite the PNC Bank Tower at Edison and Mulberry.
(Yes, that derelict warehouse will probably be refurbished. )
It's flabbergasting because the Pens are going to ship out the likes of Staal, Kunitz, and Letang. And if the Devils really wanted Kovalchuk, there's this guy by the name of Patrik Elias... Not sure if you've heard of him.
(Although, if Elias was shipped out, the Devils' fans would probably revolt.)
So are you telling me you would take Staal, Kunitz, or Letang over Kovalchuk? You gotta give up some players in order to add some players too... and as for Elias, he has more value in New Jersey than anywhere else. Teams aren't looking for 34 year old vets that can't stay healthy for 3/4 of a season.
So are you telling me you would take Staal, Kunitz, or Letang over Kovalchuk? You gotta give up some players in order to add some players too... and as for Elias, he has more value in New Jersey than anywhere else. Teams aren't looking for 34 year old vets that can't stay healthy for 3/4 of a season.
Saw a tweet from Demtri Chesnokov along the lines of Elias being on the block. I did not read the details of what Eklund's rumor was, so sorry I can't really respond to the second half of your reply from much personal knowledge, however, that was a rumor that had been discussed in this thread as well as version III of this thread.
were you trying to be backhanded with the Eklund part of that? are you really that certain that no teams would be interested in picking up Elias in a salary dump? what's your source?
EDIT: You edited while I was replying. Their franchise goals and who fits there is strictly your opinion. We were discussing potential suitors for Elias should the Devils wish to free up cap space. Your opinion of what is good for a team is not really relevant.
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Ok so this now gives you supposedly 3 players on New Jersey that they are trying to get rid of in order to acquire Kovalchuk (Zubrus, Rolston, and Elias). Why would it seem so preposterous for a team like Pittsburgh to acquire Kovy when they have younger players on cheaper contracts (Staal, Letang, and Kunitz) that should be expendable in order to obtain (arguably) the best left winger in the game?
Ok so this now gives you supposedly 3 players on New Jersey that they are trying to get rid of in order to acquire Kovalchuk (Zubrus, Rolston, and Elias). Why would it seem so preposterous for a team like Pittsburgh to acquire Kovy when they have younger players on cheaper contracts (Staal, Letang, and Kunitz) that should be expendable in order to obtain (arguably) the best left winger in the game.
because of his, his agent's, Lou and company, and not to mention the Pittsburgh Penguins, actions. They all indicate that Kovy wants to be a Devil, the Devils want Kovy, they are meeting with the league to make this happen, while the Penguins are pressed against the cap and don't seem to be doing anything in the way of acquiring Kovalchuk's services. Yeah, he could end up on the Black Hawks or in Russia, or anywhere and you can justify the possibility in any number of ways but it doesn't mean that given the recent chain of events that such theories are preposterous. Do the Penguins seem to be trying to dump Staal, Letang or Kunitz?
Again I ask, what is your source for making this a legitimate claim that they will acquire Kovy? You threw Eklund in my face, but you seem to be pulling this stuff out of no where just like he does. I can say propose any number of possible trades and acquisitions, but it doesn't mean that they are not absurd in the real world
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Again I ask, what is your source for making this a legitimate claim that they will acquire Kovy? You threw Eklund in my face, but you seem to be pulling this stuff out of no where just like he does. I can say propose any number of possible trades and acquisitions, but it doesn't mean that they are not absurd in the real world
Not once did I say they WILL. I said I wouldn't be surprised to find out he ends up in Pittsburgh, you misinterpreted my original post thinking that I was starting up a rumor which started this whole back and forth thing. Pittsburgh is the best suitor for Kovalchuk amongst all the other teams in the NHL simply because they currently have no first line left winger to play with the best play maker in the game. I don't believe Staal, Kunitz and Letang are being shopped around but that is the sacrifice teams make. The best goal scoring left winger alongside Sidney Crosby has me cringing in fear for the rest of the league, it will be almost Miami Heat-esque.
The centerpiece of Championship Plaza is an in-ground, 60-foot in diameter Devils logo constructed of granite. The logo will be surrounded by pieces of stone commemorating each of the Devils' three Stanley Cup championships in 1995, 2000 and 2003.
There will also be bricks celebrating the team's other accomplishments, such a division titles.
It's a place for team history and somewhere for fans to gather before games.. It was great for fans last season
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What?!! No more parades in Parking Lot C ?
I wish.. Those were great times.. I would rather a giant tailgate amongst the fans, than sitting on a crowded sidewalk [insert time for attendance joke], just to watch players on a float pass by and waive
Not once did I say they WILL. I said I wouldn't be surprised to find out he ends up in Pittsburgh, you misinterpreted my original post thinking that I was starting up a rumor which started this whole back and forth thing. Pittsburgh is the best suitor for Kovalchuk amongst all the other teams in the NHL simply because they currently have no first line left winger to play with the best play maker in the game. I don't believe Staal, Kunitz and Letang are being shopped around but that is the sacrifice teams make. The best goal scoring left winger alongside Sidney Crosby has me cringing in fear for the rest of the league, it will be almost Miami Heat-esque.
i realize that, and what i have been trying to express is that i along with many others would be quite surprised if that happened. i was not accusing you of rumor mongering until you asked my source on Edmonton's interest in Elias. If none of those players are being actively shopped, and the Penguins have only a bit over 1.5 million in cap space, how would you not be surprised if they landed him after all? wouldn't that mean they did something you didn't think they were doing? i'm a bit confused now by what you are saying.
It's a place for team history and somewhere for fans to gather before games.. It was great for fans last season
Sour grapes that it makes more sense for the Devils to erect a public meeting place outside of the arena dedicated to the team's success than it does the Rangers.
I wouldnt get mad at Chariot. I can take pride in my teams winning history instead of using the simple fact of existing for almost 100 years as some kind of accomplishment.
And yeah the Devils do have a Championship plaza, since we can celebrate more than one cup won outside the Original Six era
Tough luck about Lebron and Kovy big guy, maybe you guys can get Carmello to MSG, nope, damn he already said he wont go to the Knicks.
Damn I am jealous of that star attracting power known as Manhattan.
All I have is my recent memories of cup winners to hold me over. (see: not watched on a DVD box set) Boo Hoo.
No hard feelings fella.
Now if you excuse me I am going to be a passive aggressive troll on a rivals messageboard to make up for my teams lack of success.
i realize that, and what i have been trying to express is that i along with many others would be quite surprised if that happened. i was not accusing you of rumor mongering until you asked my source on Edmonton's interest in Elias. If none of those players are being actively shopped, and the Penguins have only a bit over 1.5 million in cap space, how would you not be surprised if they landed him after all? wouldn't that mean they did something you didn't think they were doing? i'm a bit confused now by what you are saying.
If the Penguins signed Kovalchuk they would still have over a month to get under the salary cap, and would have a much easier job than what New Jersey is trying to do right now by moving out Zubrus, Rolston or even Elias. What I'm trying to say is the Pens are in a much better position to take on a big contract as opposed to the Devils due to the fact that Pittsburgh's players have greater value to other teams than 30+ year olds. Pittsburgh has been looking for scorers to play on Crosby's line the past 2 seasons, and now that they're done with spending money on "stingey defenceman", a top line left winger will be next on their to do list, mark my words.
If the Penguins signed Kovalchuk they would still have over a month to get under the salary cap, and would have a much easier job than what New Jersey is trying to do right now by moving out Zubrus, Rolston or even Elias. What I'm trying to say is the Pens are in a much better position to take on a big contract as opposed to the Devils due to the fact that Pittsburgh's players have greater value to other teams than 30+ year olds. Pittsburgh has been looking for scorers to play on Crosby's line the past 2 seasons, and now that they're done with spending money on "stingey defenceman", a top line left winger will be next on their to do list, mark my words.
I want to hear this....what contracts will Pittsburgh move to fit a 7 million dollar cap hit in town?
If the Penguins signed Kovalchuk they would still have over a month to get under the salary cap, and would have a much easier job than what New Jersey is trying to do right now by moving out Zubrus, Rolston or even Elias. What I'm trying to say is the Pens are in a much better position to take on a big contract as opposed to the Devils due to the fact that Pittsburgh's players have greater value to other teams than 30+ year olds. Pittsburgh has been looking for scorers to play on Crosby's line the past 2 seasons, and now that they're done with spending money on "stingey defenceman", a top line left winger will be next on their to do list, mark my words.
-shero won't move the players you suggested for kovalchuck. just wont happen.
-No cap space for a contract like that. unless you moved multiple contracts but that is negated by my first point.
-the biggest thing IMO is shero would NEVER, NEVER give kovy a 12+ year contract that he wants. no friggin way. he gave malkin and crosby 5 year extensions and they're way more valuable assest than kovalschmuck. kovy's good but no geno and for sure no sid. shero would never handcuff himself like that. i'm sure TB thought theVinny deal was great at the time.....now it's one of the worst contracts in the league.
and u stated in ur original post that kovy and malkin had problems in the past? when was that? i know kovy made a throat slash motion or something like that towards crosby a few years ago....thought geno and kovy were buddies. wasnt it said that kovy is the one who calmed the OV Malkin **** down during all star weekend a couple years ago?
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