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08-24-2010, 08:25 PM
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Forsberg Vs. Fedorov

Which player would you rather have on your team for their career and prime?

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08-24-2010, 08:41 PM
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Fedorov in 93-94 was probably better than Forsberg ever was, but while he was still great in the next 2 seasons, and several years in the playoffs, he never really matched that again. I'd go with Forsberg for both. Fedorov got away with phoning in regular seasons because he was on a great team, but that's not always a guarantee, and Forsberg was a much better regular season performer, despite his injuries, and at least as good of a playoff performer.

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08-24-2010, 08:51 PM
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Fedorov at his best was better than Forsberg at his best, but Forberg ended up with more higher end years, despite Fedorov playing for many more years. Fedorov's later seasons, while not close to his peak, tend to get undervalued, however. Fedorov was always clutch, and his defensive game was still top-notch.

Close one. I'd want Fedorov for one or two years, Forsberg for 5 years, and then Fedorov for 10 or more years.

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Well I guess we have to do a poll where Forsberg actually WINS one right? In this case I take Pete. Fedorov had a nice season in 1994 with the Hart and such and 1996 was good too, but that's where it ends. You always got the feeling that Fedorov underacheived in the regular season and floated by only to crank it up a notch in the postseason. That is all fun and good, but the truth is he had some awkward seasons (6 in a row actually) of 69 points or less. Even in the dead puck era that's pretty weak.

I know he was defensively strong and the Wings had a system that didn't let a guy consistently get 100 points but you still got the feeling Fedorov could have done so much better. Forsberg always had strong seasons when healthy and was just as good in the postseaon overall than Fedorov.

To start from scratch, give me Forsberg

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08-24-2010, 10:57 PM
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Fedorov at his best was better than Forsberg at his best, but Forberg ended up with more higher end years, despite Fedorov playing for many more years. Fedorov's later seasons, while not close to his peak, tend to get undervalued, however. Fedorov was always clutch, and his defensive game was still top-notch.

Close one. I'd want Fedorov for one or two years, Forsberg for 5 years, and then Fedorov for 10 or more years.
This entire post sums up my opinion quite nicely. I also particularly agree with the bolded part, but anticipate that it becomes a highly debated opinion involving lots of stats.

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08-24-2010, 11:06 PM
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For career I would take Fedorov mainly due to his superior durability. I would take Forsberg for prime, since Fedorov never seemed able, or perhaps willing, to sustain his highest level of play for more than a year. Forsberg was among the best players in the NHL for a longer period than Fedorov, while Fedorov had more years as a quality player.

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08-24-2010, 11:17 PM
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Forsberg prime and career. Fedorov at his absolute best, even if it was for a very short period of time, may have been as good as Forsberg. Not sure I'd say he was better though.

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08-24-2010, 11:39 PM
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Prime: Forsberg. career: Probably still Forsberg, but narrowly.

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Extremely close comparison for me especially since both guys are incredibly exciting to watch(I could just watch Fedorov do laps aronud the rink and be entertained)and both guys for one year were the best in the game but I have to go with Fedorov here. Even though he took games off when he was on he was the best two way player in the league and maybe the best defensive player on a team stacked with great defensive players.

Both guys are great in the playoffs so it's a wash.

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Fedorov had 1 season where he was insane.
For the rest, I'd put them about even. I'd probably take Fedorov during his prime because he was a perfect mix of offense and d. Both played behind fantastic centres.

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Fedorov had 1 season where he was insane.
For the rest, I'd put them about even. I'd probably take Fedorov during his prime because he was a perfect mix of offense and d. Both played behind fantastic centres.
And for the most part I'd say they were better for a majority of the time than the centres they supposedly played behind during the years they played together. It's close though.

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08-25-2010, 12:27 AM
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I'm gonna say Federov for both. One unreal season followed by a few excellent ones and I he was no slouch for the rest of his career either.

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Prime: Forsberg. career: Probably still Forsberg, but narrowly.
I give Fedorov the higher peak and Forsberg the higher prime using Dark Shadows distinction of peak (a player at his absolute best) vs. prime (a player's best extended period of time).

Careerwise, I think it's very close as I put a huge amount of stock into Fedorov's playoff performances. The argument always given for Forsberg (who cares if he misses regular season games on his stacked team if he dominates the playoffs?) can sort of be used for Fedorov (who cares if he coasts through the regular season on his stacked team if he dominates the playoffs?).

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This one is very tough for me because I do think that Fedorov's best season was better than any single season by Forsberg.

Maybe even Fedorov's two best seasons were better than Forsbergs two best.

They were both outstanding in the playoffs.

I think I have to tip this one to Forsberg overall though because while he was hurt a lot, that is a more honest excuse for not producing than floating like Fedorov did a lot of the time in the regular season.

Forsberg brought whatever he could whenever he could. I like that in a player.

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Forsberg was more physical, but depending on how much you weigh defensive play I'll go ahead and state Fedorov has always been quite a bit better than Forsberg defensively. He has played some stretches at D and looked great - Scotty Bowman once commented Fedorov would have been a Norris-winning defenseman (and he did not exactly pepper Fedorov with compliments).

Selke finishes:

Fedorov
1, 1, 2, 4, 4, 8, 8, 9

Forsberg
2, 4, 6, 8

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Forsberg was more physical, but depending on how much you weigh defensive play I'll go ahead and state Fedorov has always been quite a bit better than Forsberg defensively. He has played some stretches at D and looked great - Scotty Bowman once commented Fedorov would have been a Norris-winning defenseman (and he did not exactly pepper Fedorov with compliments).

Selke finishes:

Fedorov
1, 1, 2, 4, 4, 8, 8, 9

Forsberg
2, 4, 6, 8
I believe I have seen games with Fedorov on the point, and not just on the PP. Seriously though, the defensive aspect of the game isn't even close. We have very little idea of how Forsberg would fare facing oncoming forwards 1-on-1 (or 2-on-1 for that matter) while skating backwards, but we know that Fedorov could skate with anyone in any direction. Am still interested in further counter-points versus:

peak: Fedorov
prime: Forsberg
playoffs: Toss-up/Edge Fedorov
career: Toss-up/Edge Forsberg

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peak: best day against best day, i would want fedorov on my team. very few guys, almost no forwards, could dominate a game like an interested fedorov at the height of his powers.

prime: i'd want forsberg, but only if i knew he would be healthy. fedorov may have missed almost an entire regular season sitting out (which seemed to give him the idea to "sit out" subsequent regular seasons), but he never missed the last two rounds of the playoffs.

career: even with all the is-he-here-or-nots, i would want forsberg. he just had more elite years, with an equal playoff record.

it's weird to say fedorov for prime and forsberg for career if forsberg's career was almost all prime, and fedorov had some decent post-prime seasons. but my reasoning is that if you have, say, a four or five year window, you'd want the guy who will always be there. on the other hand, if you have a 15 year window, i can live with forsberg taking years off because you have the time to build around him, find understudies to fill in when he's out of the lineup, etc.

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Career-Forsberg
Prime-Fedorov

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08-25-2010, 11:49 AM
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Have seen them both play since they entered the NHL, both tremendous players and there's few players that i've seen who can match their talent and skill, but I wouldn't hesitate to pick Forsberg ahead of Fedorov.

Like Big Phil said, Fedorov had one great season (excellent imo) after that he was pretty much, well.. mediocre (at least in the regular season).
The thing with Fedorov after his "freak year" was that he more than often took some "nights off".

I'll take the one who came to play every single time he stepped onto the ice, Peter the Great.

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I would choose Fedorov any day.
At least he has the ability to be on the ice instead of being on IR.

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Have seen them both play since they entered the NHL, both tremendous players and there's few players that i've seen who can match their talent and skill, but I wouldn't hesitate to pick Forsberg ahead of Fedorov.

Like Big Phil said, Fedorov had one great season (excellent imo) after that he was pretty much, well.. mediocre (at least in the regular season).
The thing with Fedorov after his "freak year" was that he more than often took some "nights off".

I'll take the one who came to play every single time he stepped onto the ice, Peter the Great.
He was never mediocre in the regular season, he was great defensively and still put up good numbers just not as good a pace as in 93-94,he was also playing defense later in his career so his numbers dropped a bit.

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For argument's sake here's some stats/awards both players have compiled in their careers.


Fedorov

Awards & Honors

1997 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1998 Stanley Cup (NHL)
2002 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1994 Frank J. Selke Trophy
1994 Hart Memorial Trophy
1994 Ted Lindsay Award
1996 Frank J. Selke Trophy
1995 NHL Playoff Scoring Leader
1991 NHL All-Rookie Team (1st)
1994 NHL All-Star Team (1st)

Points (Top 10 Finishes)
1994 NHL (2)
1996 NHL (9)

Points Per Game (Top 10 Finishes)
1994 NHL 1.46 (4)
1995 NHL 1.19 (9)
1996 NHL 1.37 (7)


Forsberg

Awards & Honors

1994 Olympic Gold (International)
2006 Olympic Gold (International)
1996 Stanley Cup (NHL)
2004 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1995 Calder Memorial Trophy
2003 Art Ross Trophy
2003 Hart Memorial Trophy
2003 Plus/Minus Award
1999 NHL Playoff Scoring Leader
2002 NHL Playoff Scoring Leader
1995 NHL All-Rookie Team (1st)
1998 NHL All-Star Team (1st)
1999 NHL All-Star Team (1st)
2003 NHL All-Star Team (1st)

Points (Top 10 Finishes)

1996 NHL (5)
1998 NHL (2)
1999 NHL (4)
2001 NHL (9)
2003 NHL (1)

Points Per Game (Top 10 Finishes)

1996 NHL 1.41 (6)
1997 NHL 1.32 (6)
1998 NHL 1.26 (2)
1999 NHL 1.24 (5)
2001 NHL 1.22 (4)
2003 NHL 1.41 (1)
2004 NHL 1.41 (1)
2006 NHL 1.25 (9)

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08-25-2010, 01:25 PM
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For me it's Forsberg. Just had way more game breaking abilities than Fedorov. Fedorov was really good for a few years then kinda slipped.

To me Forsberg was at the top or near the top of the league for 6 or 7 years, behind Jagr most of the time, but a game breaker none the less.

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For argument's sake here's some stats/awards both players have compiled in their careers.


Fedorov

Awards & Honors

1997 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1998 Stanley Cup (NHL)
2002 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1994 Frank J. Selke Trophy
1994 Hart Memorial Trophy
1994 Ted Lindsay Award
1996 Frank J. Selke Trophy
1995 NHL Playoff Scoring Leader
1991 NHL All-Rookie Team (1st)
1994 NHL All-Star Team (1st)

Points (Top 10 Finishes)
1994 NHL (2)
1996 NHL (9)

Points Per Game (Top 10 Finishes)
1994 NHL 1.46 (4)
1995 NHL 1.19 (9)
1996 NHL 1.37 (7)


Forsberg

Awards & Honors

1994 Olympic Gold (International)
2006 Olympic Gold (International)
1996 Stanley Cup (NHL)
2004 Stanley Cup (NHL)
1995 Calder Memorial Trophy
2003 Art Ross Trophy
2003 Hart Memorial Trophy
2003 Plus/Minus Award
1999 NHL Playoff Scoring Leader
2002 NHL Playoff Scoring Leader
1995 NHL All-Rookie Team (1st)
1998 NHL All-Star Team (1st)
1999 NHL All-Star Team (1st)
2003 NHL All-Star Team (1st)

Points (Top 10 Finishes)

1996 NHL (5)
1998 NHL (2)
1999 NHL (4)
2001 NHL (9)
2003 NHL (1)

Points Per Game (Top 10 Finishes)

1996 NHL 1.41 (6)
1997 NHL 1.32 (6)
1998 NHL 1.26 (2)
1999 NHL 1.24 (5)
2001 NHL 1.22 (4)
2003 NHL 1.41 (1)
2004 NHL 1.41 (1)
2006 NHL 1.25 (9)
Upon reading this Fedorov was actually a fair bit worse offensively than I remember. He was only once top 5 in points per game, finishing 4th? Only 3 times top ten points per game, and he won the Selke twice. Looking at Forsberg's finishes and taking into account he finished 2nd, and 4th in Selke voting, I'm inclined to say it's not as close as I realized.

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Upon reading this Fedorov was actually a fair bit worse offensively than I remember. He was only once top 5 in points per game, finishing 4th? Only 3 times top ten points per game, and he won the Selke twice. Looking at Forsberg's finishes and taking into account he finished 2nd, and 4th in Selke voting, I'm inclined to say it's not as close as I realized.
Fedorov took too much time off in the regular season.

He was capable of a lot more but just didn't bring it.

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