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08-25-2010, 04:03 PM
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Sarcasm or not... with the Mitchell signing, the Kings don't have the cap space to sign Kovalchuk this year assuming Schenn, Clifford and Muzzin make the team (only $2-3MM available depending on which cap site you rely on). A trade is in order for that winger.
Why would you assume Schenn AND Clifford are making the team if Kovalchuk signs?

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Congrats to LA. Terrific character guy and he will substantially enhance the leadership in the room. Be even more fun to watch LA-Vancouver in the west final this year

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(Artist's conception) Assuming his head's alright, you're gonna absolutely love him. Definitely makes me want to see another Kings-Canucks matchup in the playoffs.

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With three strictly defensive defensemen now on the blueline (Mitchell, Greene, and Scuderi) I wonder if this increases the likelihood that we'll see Hickey this year? They could use his puck moving skills to go alone with Doughty and (to a much lesser extent) Johnson.

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08-25-2010, 04:17 PM
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Are you strickly a fantasy hockey fan? You act like stats tell the whole story. Mitchell is a legit top 4 defenseman and O'Donnell is barely a #6.
... They play the same role, as defensive specialists. Sure, Mitchell will play a couple more minutes per game at even strength than O'Donnell will, if he's healthy. But aren't those minutes that could be used for your young defensemen to get experience? The signing is an insurance policy, but it's an insurance policy the Kings cannot rely on, and if you don't think a 33-year-old concussion case is at more of a risk for injury than a younger player who is not -- good for you. For the record, I've never played fantasy hockey, and never will.

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You probably hated Mattias as well. He probably didn't put up enough points for you.
... Norstrom was 24 when the Kings acquired him, not 33. That's a huge difference. The Kings got the prime of Norstrom's career, and he was unusually durable.

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What about the fact that Mitchell could very well free up Johnson to play his style in the NHL for the first time? He's never had a partner as good as Mitchell. Scuderi certainly helped Doughty open up his game.
... Johnson opened it up pretty well in the playoffs last season, didn't he? In the last 11 games Jack played, including the playoffs, he scored 12 points. Might have been the opportunity to play in the Olympics that affected his attitude and confidence? Remember, we're talking about a guy who was just 23 years old, playing in just his second full season.

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08-25-2010, 04:20 PM
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With three strictly defensive defensemen now on the blueline (Mitchell, Greene, and Scuderi) I wonder if this increases the likelihood that we'll see Hickey this year.
Unless all the guys competing for the 6 and 7 spots are even through camp, I don't think that will factor in heavily. Both Mitchell and Scuderi will be paired with our two best puck movers in Doughty and Johnson. Last year, Greene was paired with O'Donnell for the majority of the season, although IMO any of the prospects we have competing for a spot on the team would be an upgrade in puck moving ability over O'Donnell on that pairing.

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We've got the cap space, and he desperately fills a need without giving up the assets to get him. This is great news.

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I think it will be Fransson or Hickey now...I would've said Muzzin before Mitchell.

Based on Lombardi's comments about moving the puck out of the zone faster and how it will effect the offense.

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... They play the same role, as defensive specialists. Sure, Mitchell will play a couple more minutes per game at even strength than O'Donnell will, if he's healthy. But aren't those minutes that could be used for your young defensemen to get experience? The signing is an insurance policy, but it's an insurance policy the Kings cannot rely on, and if you don't think a 33-year-old concussion case is at more of a risk for injury than a younger player who is not -- good for you. For the record, I've never played fantasy hockey, and never will.
Which defensive specialist Kings prospect is ready for the NHL? The injured Tuebert? 33 is not old for a defensive defenseman in the NHL. So far the injured Kings defensemen are Greene, Tuebert and Voynov. Any of them over 30?

I would much rather bring a prospect in as a #5 or 6 defenseman than a #4 defenseman playing with Jack. The Kings will still have a young defense overall.


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... Johnson opened it up pretty well in the playoffs last season, didn't he? In the last 11 games Jack played, including the playoffs, he scored 12 points. Might have been the opportunity to play in the Olympics that affected his attitude and confidence? Remember, we're talking about a guy who was just 23 years old, playing in just his second full season.
So, you have a lower standard for young players? Yet you want a 20 year old defenseman to replace O'Donnell instead of Mitchell?

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08-25-2010, 04:38 PM
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I think it will be Fransson or Hickey now...I would've said Muzzin before Mitchell.

Based on Lombardi's comments about moving the puck out of the zone faster and how it will effect the offense.
Yeah, for sure. It's Hickey's to lose, basically. (Even though I get the feeling that Martinez/Fransson might get the better shot since they are older/more experienced...)

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08-25-2010, 04:42 PM
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Yeah, for sure. It's Hickey's to lose, basically. (Even though I get the feeling that Martinez/Fransson might get the better shot since they are older/more experienced...)
I'm still leaning towards Fransson for the partnership with Greene. Hickey needs a full healthy year in the AHL. He can be called up if Fransson doesn't work out.

Who will replace Greene while he is injured? Drewiske?

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08-25-2010, 04:51 PM
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About time. This is a great signing as long as he recovers from the injuries last year. He eats up a lot of PK minutes and blocks a lot of shots; a tough customer to boot.

Jack Johnson has to be the happiest guy on the Kings right now. He finally has a defensive partner because he'll either be with Scuderi or Mitchell. Assuming Willie is okay and Greene comes back fine, our d-corps looks strong, real strong.

Scuderi - Doughty
Johnson - Mitchell
Prospect - Greene
Drewiskie

Welcome aboard Willie!
He's probably crying tears of joy. Getting WM and Jones signing with the bolts. Yayy!

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08-25-2010, 04:55 PM
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Jack should have a career year +/- wise...

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Which defensive specialist Kings prospect is ready for the NHL? The injured Tuebert? 33 is not old for a defensive defenseman in the NHL. So far the injured Kings defensemen are Greene, Tuebert and Voynov. Any of them over 30?
... Those are the only young defensemen the Kings have available to them? And 33 is old for anyone in the context of playing NHL-level hockey. Check out all the NHL players who were born in 1977 and see how much of them are still playing a significant role in the NHL now. I'd bet around 10% of them are.

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So, you have a lower standard for young players? Yet you want a 20 year old defenseman to replace O'Donnell instead of Mitchell?
... I don't think you understand the concept of "prime" years or the effect of NHL experience on a young player. I'm saying at his age, Johnson is still growing as a player, based on the fact that he's gaining experience and still young enough to raise his overall level of ability.

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Who would have thought it was going to happen?

Now that our D is pretty much set. Davis will at least start the season on the 3rd pairing and then we will have A-Mart/Hickey or best ready rook.

Now, lets see what is left to do with the summer. Willie passed 4 separate physicals by the way, not just one. To me that was a very critical thing. Most players will have a physical done and then pass around the results making any interested parties rely on whatever they have been given.

With Willie being willing to let each team do their own individual physicals it means that he and his people where confident in his health. That is a good thing.

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Grats guys, on getting willie ****ing mitchell

the guy has the best stick period in the nhl, nobody can pokecheck better then him.

he is a fantastic positional player, he has decent grit, and will stick up for his teammates 100% of the time.

The guy is pure heart and soul, and you guys will absolutely love him

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The Nucks have had our number in recent years.

I can remember multiple times wishing that someone would punch Willie Mitchell in the mouth. I know he will go after someone for coming within 5 feet of the goalie, let alone touch him.

We definitely need that.

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... Those are the only young defensemen the Kings have available to them? And 33 is old for anyone in the context of playing NHL-level hockey. Check out all the NHL players who were born in 1977 and see how much of them are still playing a significant role in the NHL now. I'd bet around 10% of them are.



... I don't think you understand the concept of "prime" years or the effect of NHL experience on a young player. I'm saying at his age, Johnson is still growing as a player, based on the fact that he's gaining experience and still young enough to raise his overall level of ability.
How many 20 year old defensemen are playing a significant role in the NHL now? A lot fewer than the number over 30.

So, you can only have a team made up of "prime" players? That's just stupid. Would you call 20-23 "prime" years for a defenseman? If not, then why not sign Mitchell so that the young defenseman can develop and be ready to contribute their "prime" years in the NHL with the Kings?

I'm still waiting for this mythical Kings player that lost his job to Mitchell. Or better yet, who is available in their prime years to play defense for the Kings without losing assets? You are mad that Dean has too much cap space and now that he spends it to improve the Kings, you would rather have a player on their ELC on the team at a lower cap hit?

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Hextall On Signing Willie Mitchell



Kings Vision sat down with Kings Assistant GM, Ron Hextall, to discuss the signing of veteran defenseman Willie Mitchell.

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... Those are the only young defensemen the Kings have available to them? And 33 is old for anyone in the context of playing NHL-level hockey. Check out all the NHL players who were born in 1977 and see how much of them are still playing a significant role in the NHL now. I'd bet around 10% of them are.
That stat would be... what's the word? Meaningless.

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That stat would be... what's the word? Meaningless.
... All stats you don't agree with are meaningless. For the millionth time, I get it.

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Hextall On Signing Willie Mitchell



Kings Vision sat down with Kings Assistant GM, Ron Hextall, to discuss the signing of veteran defenseman Willie Mitchell.

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Interesting to see Hextall would like to see Mitchell with Doughty, which I wouldn't be against. Jack and Scuds were a really good pair last year to start the season and obviously Drew and Scuds were a great pair as well. I don't think it really matters though. It's just nice to know we have a CLEAR top 4 now. Mix and match those 4 as necessary.

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... All stats you don't agree with are meaningless. For the millionth time, I get it.
Not at all.

Most players 'retire' at around age 28, not because they outlive their utility or decline, but because the majority of NHL players are fringe players and fillers. Why? See the Encyclopedia entry under "Bettman: Stupid expansion".

Why keep around a 28 year old Niko Kapanen when you can try out that 23 year old guy you drafted a few years ago? Doesn't mean that the new guy is or will be better, but they were marginal players to begin with so there isn't much reason to not try out fresher marginal players. Willie Mitchell is not, and never has been, one of those marginal players that would make up the majority of the percentages if you were to actually look up that stat.

It would be a stat that is inherently completely skewed and has little to no relevance to Willie Mitchell, or even the majority of players aged 30-35 in the NHL.

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Definitely glad to hear about this signing. Interesting Hextall wants him with Doughty which would be pretty awesome, but I'm happy with either setup (Doughty - Scuderi / Johnson - Mitchell.....Doughty - Mitchell / Johnson - Scuderi)

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